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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    1. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 30

      Foster kids weren’t separated by the US government to punish their parents for a misdemeanor and deter others. Unaccompanied kids at the border weren’t either. Equating the forced separation policy to those two says more about you—and cognitive dissonance—than about the policy.

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    2. Corinne 🌺 🌴‏ @ConservaGrrl Jun 30
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      Tell that to foster kids. I've had them in my home, and they want their parents as much as the children at the border. What, specifically, are you doing to meet their needs?

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    3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 30
      Replying to @ConservaGrrl

      The existence of one challenge does not mean people can’t care about another. And it certainly doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for the government to create another. Cool that you foster. I never have, and I’m not sure if I would. But I’m sure it means a lot that you do.

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    4. Corinne 🌺 🌴‏ @ConservaGrrl Jun 30
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      Never underestimate the fact that moral consistency lends more credibility to your cause. Hence, the foster care comparisons, and the outright dismissal of #FamiliesBelongTogether as virtue signaling.

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    5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 30
      Replying to @ConservaGrrl

      The difference is the US government created one of those problems, deliberately hurting children to punish their parents and send a message to unrelated people. I don’t want my government to do that. Do you?

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    6. Corinne 🌺 🌴‏ @ConservaGrrl Jun 30
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      Of course not. It should go to follow that you wouldn't want children to experience any pain, no matter the cause. It's the blatant moral relativism that people are pointing out, not the cause in itself.

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      Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 30
      Replying to @ConservaGrrl

      Then we agree. About 27% of Americans think it’s a good idea according to polls. I care a lot about gov policy. Make things better if possible; avoid making things worse. I see your point about caring for all kids. But this is an example of gov making things worse. Easy to end.

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        2. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          While it's true that CPS is not always fair, and that any kids separated from their families experience trauma, there are important differences between these 2 things. Each state has clear statutes that they must follow regarding taking children into care ...

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        3. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @andreacurry @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          ... that the practice currently at issue is glaringly missing. First, records regarding familial connections are required - no CPS worker I know would imagine removing a child without careful records regarding FROM WHOM the child had been removed. Secondly, at least in CA, ...

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        4. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @andreacurry @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          ... offering reunification services intended to help the parent correct the problem that led to having a child removed is the default next-step. CPS HAS to show cause and get approval through a specific process to deny a parent these services. Next, social workers are ...

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        5. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @andreacurry @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          ... required to identify all kin who could potentially care for the child. I have personally helped parents whose children have been removed complete the forms that communicate this to CPS - they are detailed and extensive. I work for a place that provides ...

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        6. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @andreacurry @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          ... some of the reunification services that some parents participate in as part of getting their children back. CPS is even required to make sure incarcerated parents can participate in reunification services, and A LOT of support is provided to these families ...

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        7. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @andreacurry @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          ... to give them the chance to correct things that pit their child in danger in their homes. Lastly, the decision to permanently sever a child from a parent is NOT undertaken lightly. There are requirements that MUST be met to do so, hearings that MUST take place...

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        8. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @andreacurry @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          ... and throughout, BOTH the parent and the child are provided with attorneys SEPERATE from the parents' criminal cases, and these attorneys TALK to one another. The difference between the process for removing children from the care of U.S. parents and the "process" being...

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        9. IfYouSaySo‏ @andreacurry Jul 1
          Replying to @andreacurry @NGrossman81 @ConservaGrrl

          ... employed at the border for separating migrant children from their parent(s) is VASTLY different. If you equate the two, but are not advocating for migrant families to receive the same services U.S. families do, I can only conclude that you are being alarmist and ...

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