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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 23

    Sarah Huckabee Sanders refused service at a restaurant has interesting parallels with a gay couple refused service at a bakery. Comparing these cases leads to fundamental questions about individual freedom and state responsibilities. (THREAD)

    11:10 AM - 23 Jun 2018 from Urbana, IL
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      1. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 23

        Argh. Kid won't nap. This was going to be really interesting. Maybe pick up later (or write an article).

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      1. DamonMPA‏ @DamonMPA Jun 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        The @PressSec also needs to explain why she made this statement as an official announcement on behalf of the @POTUS and not on her personal account as @SarahHuckabee #LockHerUp

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      1. Pass it along - Flash Mob - 11/6 - #VoteBlue‏ @buffaloquinn Jun 23
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        Disagree. SCOTUS ruling was a very narrow one that essentially said an individual *artist* could not be forced to create something that was against his religious beliefs. They had already ruled LGBTQ could not be discriminated against. PresSec was thrown out for being an asshole.

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      2. Tanya Nguyen‏ @Horuskitty Jun 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Interestingly, it is legal to refuse service based on political party, political speech, etc, as those are not protected classes. At least in Colorado and a few other states it is illegal to deny service to glbt because they ARE a protected class.

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      2. Michael Conway‏ @lexiconway Jun 23
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        This isn't interesting. Political views are a choice, race and sexual orientation are not. Political discrimination not protected.

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      2. 3 Paw Pundit‏ @3pawpundit Jun 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Not exactly the same. The gay couple was refused service for a particular ceremony, not refused service at the bakery in general.

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      1. M. E. Brown‏ @Botanicalsrock Jun 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Not really. Lying shills are not a protected class.

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      1. Chris‏ @studious2002 Jun 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @surfbro26

        Mmmmmm, being gay isn’t a choice. Refusing service to a gay person is bigoted, no? A govt employee lying to the public and having retaliation thrown at her isn’t bigoted, it’s a consequence.

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      1. Christine Krause‏ @krausemom Jun 23
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        SCOTUS said CO bakery was denied its civil rights b/c member of CO Civil Rights Commission compared Christian beliefs of bakery's owner to Nazism. This didn't equally protect civil rights of both the plaintiffs and bakery owner.

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      2. Clifton Baradell‏ @cbharra Jun 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Here’s the difference: When a proprietor bars a customer, based on choices to lie to the public, in support of a president who is a pathological liar, it’s not personal. But when a proprietor bars a customer, based on no other choice but to be a whole human, THAT is personal...

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      3. John Bowling‏ @JohnRBowling Jun 23
        Replying to @cbharra @NGrossman81

        So your position is it’s fine to refuse service to someone when you believe they are guilty of immortality, but not fine to refuse service to someone based on your own immoral position. Good luck with that. What about the business owner that thinks gay marriage is immoral?

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