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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 9

    Assume Trump's acting strategically, based on national interest (no personal element). His admin thought it through, and is denigrating allies as a negotiation tactic. Still really dumb. Even if it works, likely outcome is net negative. At best, small gain. At worst, disaster.

    6:46 AM - 9 Jun 2018 from New York, USA
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      2. Daniel Hagelberg‏ @garbageplate Jun 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I think even this is too kind. The small gain would have to be pegged to a very specific time horizon. This will not provide any benefit.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 9
        Replying to @garbageplate

        My point is even with the most generous assumptions possible, it's still a bad idea.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Daniel Hagelberg‏ @garbageplate Jun 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I'm just trying to work out the possible outcomes and I don't see the upsides. I just see American influence crumbling. We are close to the same thought process here, I'm just less optimistic believe it or not.

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 9
        Replying to @garbageplate

        I'm pretty pessimistic about all this too. That being said, I think it's valuable to evaluate decisions under generous assumptions. If the result is still pretty bad, then the decisions probably not a good idea.

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      6. Daniel Hagelberg‏ @garbageplate Jun 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I agree with your method that's why I was stipulating to your in good faith decision making assumption. I was almost hoping that you or someone could get me thinking there could be a positive. Got anything or is this handbasket headed where I thought?

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      7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 9
        Replying to @garbageplate

        I have nothing to positive to say about deliberately straining the western alliance.

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      2. Safiyah Noor‏ @SafiyahNoor1 Jun 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I can’t see the upside of destroying the greatest alliance in the world. (Got that one from @MalcolmNance)

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 9
        Replying to @SafiyahNoor1 @MalcolmNance

        Good line. Unfortunate reality.

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      2. Vote November 6th Lab‏ @LiberalLab Jun 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Trump never acts strategically.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jun 9
        Replying to @LiberalLab

        Assume for the sake of argument.

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      4. Vote November 6th Lab‏ @LiberalLab Jun 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        My imagination is limited these days. Sorry.

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      1. Anna Gonna Resist‏ @AnnaResist Jun 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Even small gain assumes that 6 other countries can't figure out game @POTUS is playing. He isn't a master poker player and only ones who can't figure that out are some members of press. When your cards are on table the game is over. Letting the bully win is bad precedent.

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