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Cryptocurrency Analyst. Bitcoin, not Blockchain. Angel Investor. Previously @Princeton.

New York, NY
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    1. Blair Marshall‏ @blairlmarshall Jul 21
      Replying to @MustStopMurad @0xProject

      Totally understand that, but only way to capture value is through network effects of a liquidity pool. You could 'monetize' that value with txn fees or a token. Struggle to see ZRX capturing value for on-chain governance. So why not just collect tiny fee for trillions of txns?

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
      Replying to @blairlmarshall @0xProject

      because the fees, however little, would be a friction to everyone building on the protocol and using the protocol. the big point is — maybe the value *shouldn’t* be captured at all! 🌱

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
      Replying to @MustStopMurad @blairlmarshall @0xProject

      0x would be no different from Web 2.0 giants if it did that — someone would simply, at some mature & usable point, copy the open-source code and get rid of the free Blockchains don’t create revenues. They destroy revenues 🙂👍

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Blair Marshall‏ @blairlmarshall Jul 21
      Replying to @MustStopMurad @0xProject

      I hear you, but you can't just copy the code. You would then have to convince all of that built up liquidity (relayers) who are getting drunk off of fees to move over to a lower fee protocol. That literally would be economically irrational.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Blair Marshall‏ @blairlmarshall Jul 21
      Replying to @blairlmarshall @MustStopMurad @0xProject

      The fees could just pay devs directly for their work. So its a new kind of organization. An open source project that receives fees to pay devs for work.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
      Replying to @blairlmarshall @0xProject

      These dudes already made hundreds of millions off of the governance token...

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Blair Marshall‏ @blairlmarshall Jul 21
      Replying to @MustStopMurad @0xProject

      Yea, I would argue bc of the irrational market. Not convinced there is long term value in ZRX simply for on-chain governance. FWIW, I am very long ZRX. Great community, so they will figure it out. Hopefully I am wrong re: value for governance.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
      Replying to @blairlmarshall @0xProject

      0x the protocol is one of the best products in the space ZRX the token is a worthless shit token

      3 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
    9. Will Warren‏ @willwarren89 Jul 21
      Replying to @MustStopMurad @blairlmarshall @0xProject

      Governance is the only thing that matters in decentralized networks. If it isn't obvious to you now, it will be in 3-5 years :)

      2 replies 2 retweets 16 likes
    10. Steven Zheng‏ @Dogetoshi Jul 21
      Replying to @willwarren89 @MustStopMurad and

      I think the ability to store value is more important.

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      Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
      Replying to @Dogetoshi @willwarren89 and

      Precisely. Storing Value in the scarce monetary units a protocol which is optimized to reliably Store Value and whose properties are historically not easy to change.

      3:12 PM - 21 Jul 2018
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        2. Will Warren‏ @willwarren89 Jul 21
          Replying to @MustStopMurad @Dogetoshi and

          Sure, but it's hard to convince people to assign value to a cryptocurrency when it suffers from overarching governance issues.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Steven Zheng‏ @Dogetoshi Jul 21
          Replying to @willwarren89 @MustStopMurad and

          I would argue that it is hard to convince people a cryptocurrency need “better governance” when it has proven itself as a store of value.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. cryptodiario‏ @cryptodiario Jul 21
          Replying to @Dogetoshi @willwarren89 and

          I think the problem is trying to equate value propositions for things as different as bitcoin and zrx. Bitcoin is meant to be a form of digital gold for most of their holders, hence censorship resistant and immutable. The best form of governance on bitcoin is extreme paralysis

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. cryptodiario‏ @cryptodiario Jul 21
          Replying to @cryptodiario @Dogetoshi and

          Even innovations like LN can be problematic when ypur value proposition is being a SoV. Instead, for zrx governance is the only way of capturing value due the open nature of @0xProject. There's no other way to pool the value flow between layers. Also, is a brilliant way to...

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        6. cryptodiario‏ @cryptodiario Jul 21
          Replying to @cryptodiario @Dogetoshi and

          Indirectly incentivate zrx adoption by relayers. Because as a part of the @0xProject ecosystem they'll want to have a say of future developments

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. cryptodiario‏ @cryptodiario Jul 21
          Replying to @cryptodiario @Dogetoshi and

          *on future developments

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        8. Blair Marshall‏ @blairlmarshall Jul 21
          Replying to @cryptodiario @Dogetoshi and

          Yea agree with all this. Just wondering if there are other ways to capture value of open source projects. Seems like as of now, no.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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