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Cryptocurrency Analyst. Bitcoin, not Blockchain. Angel Investor. Previously @Princeton.

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    Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21

    all unpegged tokens without explicit cashflows for token-holders, are, for all intents and purposes, money-competitors. The fact that there is, still, even $47B of wealth stored ‘inside’ ETH, is a temporary mistake and exuberance which will unwind. ETH is overvalued.

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      2. Ryan Sean Adams‏ @RyanSAdams Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        Except that ETH is the most viable crypto-based competitor for money that BTC has. Don’t @ me.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
        Replying to @RyanSAdams

        Goes to say how weak BTC competition is 😊

        0 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
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      2. Gabe Bassin‏ @gabebassin Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        Serious question: If ETH moves to POS and people "earn cash flows" for staking does this take it out of the money-competitor category?

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Tommy Grumbles‏ @tomgarrambone Jul 21
        Replying to @gabebassin @MustStopMurad

        If we played a game of monopoly...and I told you after the game that I would pay you more monopoly dollars every year if you gave me $100 dollars now...would you do that? Hyperbole, of course, but that’s the question. Quality of dollar matters.

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      4. Gabe Bassin‏ @gabebassin Jul 21
        Replying to @tomgarrambone @MustStopMurad

        I think you make a good point. The difference is monopoly dollars aren't fungible back into other "monies". If there is a market for ETH and its fungible, those cash flows have some value no? Not trying to die on this hill by the way. Just thinking out loud.

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      5. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
        Replying to @gabebassin @tomgarrambone

        Those aren’t cashflows in the sense of equity of a company. Those staking rewards are supply inflation paid for by diluting non-staking participants.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      6. Gabe Bassin‏ @gabebassin Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad @tomgarrambone

        I agree they are different in nature but there is still a "flow" that occurs. Call it ETH-flow. Stakers benefit assymetrically from inflation for securing the network and perhaps that makes the whole system unfair. That said, cant we still value that eth-flow?

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      7. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
        Replying to @gabebassin @tomgarrambone

        Money valuation is purely subjective

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      8. Tommy Grumbles‏ @tomgarrambone Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad @gabebassin

        Also the models I’ve seen for staking are not economically attractive at all.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Gabe Bassin‏ @gabebassin Jul 21
        Replying to @tomgarrambone @MustStopMurad

        Me neither. I'm pushing myself to think about those types of models and if they could ever work like securities with flows that drove value.

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      2. taiwandan‏ @taiwandan Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        Why is it overvalued?

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      3. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 21
        Replying to @taiwandan

        BTC is far better to park wealth in, it will suck capital out of it

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      2. nowhere‏ @nowherelessnow Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        Only if you ignore the many, many other use cases and things being built on it, oh and the number of developers involved

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      3. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad Jul 22
        Replying to @nowherelessnow

        These things don't neccessarily make it a better *STORE OF VALUE* or *MONEY*. Certainly not as a good as Bitcoin is.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. nowhere‏ @nowherelessnow Jul 22
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        But no one in the community is arguing it is even trying to be a store of value or money, so I don’t get your argument?

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      1. bitcoiner‏ @AnselLindner Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        At its peak, Ethereum was the largest ponzi scheme ever. It's going to end badly.

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      2. Cyrus Younessi‏ @cyounessi1 Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        So short it using Augur.

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Federico  🎅‏ @Federico_Xmas Jul 21
        Replying to @cyounessi1 @MustStopMurad

        Is there any benefits in doing this through Augur instead of going through any traditional exchange?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Cyrus Younessi‏ @cyounessi1 Jul 21
        Replying to @Federico_Xmas @MustStopMurad

        Some benefits, some drawbacks. I’m just teasing murad by asking him to short Eth by using an Eth app to do so.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      1. Mark Moss‏ @1MarkMoss Jul 21
        Replying to @MustStopMurad

        All "un" pegged? I though pegged tokens or stable coins were the money competitors, and $ETH will most likely be a cash flow token although I do not think it needs to be. And although maybe overvalued today, I fee it is way undervalue from where it will be in 5 yrs

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