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Cryptocurrency Analyst. Bitcoin, not Blockchain. Angel Investor. Previously @Princeton.

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    1. Qiao Wang‏ @QWQiao May 27

      Imagine a world where every asset is tokenized. Then we can construct a diversified portfolio of everything on Earth. And thanks to price discovery on a frictionless global ledger this portfolio will be liquid and stable, and ultimately become a worldwide MoE, SoV, and UoA.

      41 replies 73 retweets 284 likes
    2. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
      Replying to @QWQiao

      1) Who determines how to construct this portfolio (coin)? 2) Who determines how to readjust this portfolio every n periods? There is way too much subjectivity / centralization involved

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Qiao Wang‏ @QWQiao May 28
      Replying to @MustStopMurad

      1) A DAO. 2) A smart contract, which can be amended from time to time by the DAO.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
      Replying to @QWQiao

      So much unneccessary risk, governance issues and complexity that Bitcoin doesn’t have. Not to mention that Bitcoin is simpler to understand than all the portfolio bundles. But anyways what chain is this going to be running on & how will security of that chain be incentivized?

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        2. Qiao Wang‏ @QWQiao May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad

          The way S&P500 ETFs are governed and track the index are pretty damn complex. Yet millions of Americans own them, simply knowing that they track a broad equity index pretty well.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
          Replying to @QWQiao

          Millions of Americans own the Dollar too. That doesn’t make it the best global, sound money, apolitical reserve.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Qiao Wang‏ @QWQiao May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad

          You offered ‘governance’ and ‘complexity’ as arguments against my proposed portfolio. I simply debated around those two points. Now out of nowhere you drag USD into this, and your argument has nothing to do with governance and complexity. 🤷🏻‍♂️

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        5. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
          Replying to @QWQiao

          You offered a centralized solution (S&P ETFs) as an example supporting your previous answer concerning a decentralized solution (DAO)...

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Qiao Wang‏ @QWQiao May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad

          No. Not to support my previous answer but to counter your argument.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. arjun balaji‏ @arjunblj May 28
          Replying to @QWQiao @MustStopMurad

          If you had an easily arbitrage-able basket with a trusted oracle, wouldn't the market keep it in sync the same way ETFs function now?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Qiao Wang‏ @QWQiao May 28
          Replying to @arjunblj @MustStopMurad

          What’s the oracle for? Yeah it should work in a similar way as ETFs.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. arjun balaji‏ @arjunblj May 28
          Replying to @QWQiao @MustStopMurad

          Fair. I guess in a universe where Real World traders have a sense of what market prices are, you don't even need oracles. While I don't think the # of tokens will necessarily trend to infinity, can see how this would work (and don't know that it'll really make a good UoA or MoE).

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        2. antiprosynthesis‏ @antiprosynth May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad @QWQiao

          I really have no idea why you're dragging Bitcoin into every answer. That's not what this post is about.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
          Replying to @antiprosynth @QWQiao

          It is what this post is about because he said his Bundle of Stocks will become SoV+MoE+UoA and will make Bitcoin unneccessary. Read some of Qiao’s other posts.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad @antiprosynth @QWQiao

          My point is that people won’t choose something as Global Digital Money if it’s not censorship-resistant. Stocks and Real Estate are connected to physical reality and authority. Bitcoin not so much.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. antiprosynthesis‏ @antiprosynth May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad @QWQiao

          I don't think you understood his post all too well and got triggered by the 'token that is not Bitcoin' notion.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
          Replying to @antiprosynth @QWQiao

          We have been discussing this for weeks, there is no triggering going on. I am just trying to decipher the extent of censorship-resistance of his synthetic construction.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. antiprosynthesis‏ @antiprosynth May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad @QWQiao

          The censorship resistance and trust minimization doesn't happen at the physical endpoints. It happens at all the points in between. I think that can be hard to grasp intuitively. It's not binary.

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        8. Murad Mahmudov  🚀‏ @MustStopMurad May 28
          Replying to @antiprosynth @QWQiao

          wrt to physical endpoints: imagine if thugs take over a house whose tokens you own. do you think they’d care about the tokens? you’d rely on enforcement etc. with BTC, or even your beloved ETH, you don’t need outside law/authority/violence to ensure ur money is OK

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        9. antiprosynthesis‏ @antiprosynth May 28
          Replying to @MustStopMurad @QWQiao

          Yes, I understand that. You would still need to register the tokenized deed with a law enforcer. The advantage is more in having a global standard that everybody can agree on because it doesn't require trust, amongst aformentioned points.

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