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Rational centrist & staunch defender of Enlightenment values. Former scientist who disappointed Singaporean tiger parents by working for a counter-extremism NGO

New York, NY
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    Melissa Chen‏ @MsMelChen Jan 1

    Pick One: > Kathy Griffin’s beheading joke was not offensive! She was just being edgy, get over yourself! > Louis CK’s jokes from the leaked tape are offensive! There are some things you just cannot joke about. This makes him an alt-right jackass! 🤔💣💥

    7:50 am - 1 Jan 2019
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    92 replies . 237 retweets 1,303 likes
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      2. James Lindsay‏ @ConceptualJames Jan 1
        Replying to @MsMelChen

        Postmodernism allows for unapologetically being inconsistent. It also interprets everything through stupid lenses like "power" and "that guy has already been branded problematic."

        2 replies . 27 retweets 215 likes
      3. Melissa Chen‏ @MsMelChen Jan 1
        Replying to @ConceptualJames

        The idea that people can have different tastes in humor is somewhat a postmodern concept though, right? And some good comedy actually does draw from the postmodern literary tradition

        1 reply . 2 retweets 18 likes
      4. James Lindsay‏ @ConceptualJames Jan 1
        Replying to @MsMelChen

        Absolutely, but the power dynamics and problematics issues supervene.

        1 reply . 3 retweets 15 likes
      5. Francis Roy‏ @FrancisRoyCA Jan 1
        Replying to @ConceptualJames @MsMelChen

        How is that whites are both "so fragile" that they emit "white tears" yet somehow manage to be powerful and constantly punching down? They make us sound like aggressive tea pots. Mine would be made of china, if that weren't cultural appropriation.

        2 replies . 3 retweets 17 likes
      6. James Lindsay‏ @ConceptualJames Jan 1
        Replying to @FrancisRoyCA @MsMelChen

        White magic.

        1 reply . 1 retweet 9 likes
      7. Francis Roy‏ @FrancisRoyCA Jan 1
        Replying to @ConceptualJames @MsMelChen

        Hahaha :)

        0 replies . 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. M-Phatic‏ @M_Phatical Jan 1
        Replying to @MsMelChen

        Kathy.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Melissa Chen‏ @MsMelChen Jan 1
        Replying to @M_Phatical

        Ditto. My pick too.

        0 replies . 0 retweets 1 like
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Christopher Chabris‏Verified account @cfchabris Jan 1
        Replying to @MsMelChen

        Can I pick “Comedians have always been offensive and politically challenging and that’s why they exist,” please?

        4 replies . 2 retweets 71 likes
      3. Melissa Chen‏ @MsMelChen Jan 1
        Replying to @cfchabris

        Absolutely!

        1 reply . 0 retweets 13 likes
      4. Walrus of the Cross‏ @StWalrus Jan 1
        Replying to @MsMelChen @cfchabris

        I reject the either/or premise. While I believe it’s good to be consistent with your principles & avoid hypocrisy, each & every case has different circumstances & nuances. We have to see through superficial appearances and examine the particulars in each case.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Marcel Arts‏ @Marcel_Arts Jan 2
        Replying to @WalrusCross @MsMelChen @cfchabris

        If I agree with it, it should be allowed :)

        1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Walrus of the Cross‏ @StWalrus Jan 2
        Replying to @Marcel_Arts @MsMelChen @cfchabris

        Let’s use our heads and examine the specific facts in each case rather than rely on automated, prepackaged thinking.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Marcel Arts‏ @Marcel_Arts Jan 2
        Replying to @WalrusCross @MsMelChen @cfchabris

        Problem is people are different, so different people find different things offensive. If you have a 1000 people in the room and don't wanna offend anyone and simultaneously be funny, you might as well not say anything at all. There are no objective criteria...

        1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Marcel Arts‏ @Marcel_Arts Jan 2
        Replying to @Marcel_Arts @MsMelChen @cfchabris

        for determining if something is offensive or not.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Walrus of the Cross‏ @StWalrus Jan 2
        Replying to @Marcel_Arts @MsMelChen @cfchabris

        I’m not denying that. I’m rejecting Chen’s extremist and unreasonable either/or scenario, which tells people to decide between toleration or non-toleration. You can tolerate some and not others, just as long as you have good reason for your decision.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Marty‏ @Marty_TERF Jan 1
        Replying to @MsMelChen

        Both jokes were offensive, edgy, and IMO Both comedians are still working the club circuits. Neither has been killed, nor imprisoned. However: #1 CNN has no public duty to employ either comedian #2 you are allowed to criticise either or both comedians as you wish

        1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Melissa Chen‏ @MsMelChen Jan 1
        Replying to @Marty_TERF

        Fully agree! But if you are more likely to come to the defense of one and not both, or think one deserves forgiveness but not both, I implore you to do some introspection

        1 reply . 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Marty‏ @Marty_TERF Jan 1
        Replying to @MsMelChen

        The two have material differences though. Kathy, arguably, belittled the atrocities of ISIS. She would have struggled to make the same joke putting Trump into a holocaust oven, but the holocaust is over by decades and people are still being beheaded by ISIS.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Marty‏ @Marty_TERF Jan 1
        Replying to @Marty_TERF @MsMelChen

        But whatever way you feel about it (I'm a Brit who adores the darkest of humour) the issue with her was strictly taste. The issue with LCK is he's a sex attacker, or whatever you want to call it. It's his interpersonal behaviour that's at the heart of his malaise, not jokes.

        0 replies . 0 retweets 0 likes
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