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They matter because their CHILDREN are citizens and vote, and @AlexNowrasteh
's data shows that they vote for bigger government and more taxes.
Not until the FOURTH generation do they vote like natives
So every immigrant creates 100 years of D voteshttps://twitter.com/mandatum1979/status/993662202329620480?s=19 …
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83/ You are incorrect. If X is 1% likely to happen and doing thing Y changes that to making it 2% likely, we say that Y "doubles the chances". When I said that X's are "25% more likely to Z than Y's are to Z", I was using the correct phrasing.https://twitter.com/SpikerIsAwesome/status/993880410269585408 …
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84/ I'm in. What say you,
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85/ The diff isn't a mere 3%. 1st gen immigrants (citizens) are 25% more likely to be strong D. ...and 43% more likely to be soft D. 2nd gen are 40% more likely to be soft D. 3rd gen are 8% more likely to be soft D. This is huge; will flip elections. https://twitter.com/charliesixtwo/status/993907583135244289 …
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86/ as for argument "Obama got elected in 2008" ... so what? You're basically saying "we already vote hard left...so what's more hard leftism?" Voters repudiated Obama by electing Trump instead of Obama-endorsed HRC. ...and it was close! The closeness means margins matter!
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87/ Finally,
@charliesixtwo , whether "nearly 100%" of people want to use gov to reduce income inequality" doesn't matter when we have data on whether people want gov to be MORE or LESS active in doing so. Right now it's evenly split. More immigrants means more redistribution.Show this thread -
88/ And you and
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@AlexNowrasteh claims to have muted me (I don't think he has, but that's neither here nor there). Folks, do me this favor: @ him & ask simple question "do first gen immigrants vote for Dems more than natives - yes or no?" If you're feeling frisky, ask the same re 2nd gen.https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/993872393310539780 …Show this thread -
90/ I'm not "preemptively attacking" anyone - I'm just expressing my preference that groups that on average want more socialism should not be brought into the country and given political power. As far as opposing socialists already here - yes, I do that https://twitter.com/charliesixtwo/status/993913140273393664 …
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91/ As far as the fact that some ethnic groups already here lean heavily socialist - well, that helps make my point and destroy yours, doesn't it? If we had not encouraged group X and Y and Z to come here, we'd have lower taxes and socialism today. We agree!
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92/ This does not lead me to be antihispanic or antisemitic. I'm capable of disaggregation. I oppose the socialists and welcome the the help of the libertarians, of group X and Y and Z. That, however, is consistent with not bringing in more socialists.
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93/ Oh, fun!
@reason and@VolokhC have picked up on how@AlexNowrasteh and@CatoInstitute presented data that said that immigration is bad for liberty and then falsely characterized it as saying immigration is good for liberty. You're big time, Alex!https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/993923890509418498 …Show this thread -
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@AlexNowrasteh 's underwhelming response to@VolokhC and@reason :https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/993925049462779904 …Show this thread -
95/ let's dig into
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96/ 1) "...but immigration is good!" which...
2) "muh tacos!"
3) "yes, they're socialists...but the difference is 2.75 vs 3.18 on a 5 point scale, so only a difference of 8.6% of scale range, so MAYBE won't tip elections"
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97/ 4) Natives in Berkeley are even more commie than new immigrants, so what's the harm in shifting things towards more socialism if we've already got commies here? 5) we only suffer the political consequences (higher taxes & more regulation) for 80 or 100 years, so NBD >>>
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98/ oh, I misread - he has more "rebuttals" 6) sure, they're commies, but they don't vote (which is good news, I guess, until you realize that (a) their kids and grandkids are also leftists and DO vote, (b) Dems are good at get-out-the-vote organizing >>>
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99/ 7) we'll pile all the socialist immigrants in urban areas which already vote blue, so they have no effect on national elections (unless, that is, the Constitution gives more electoral votes to states based on population...anyone know if that's how it works?
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100/ Anway, I find it quite interesting that
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101/ Alex was willing to cop to to the truth when he was called on it by Professor Hal Pashler of UCSD, but then 4.5 years passed and I independently made the exact same observations, and because I'm a nobody
@AlexNowrasteh called me a "cowardly anonymous troll".
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103/ Dude, the only one in this thread who is confused on the difference between "by X percent" and "by X points" is you. It's OK. The rest of us get it, and we're not angry or upset at you. But join us in proper and accepted usage.https://twitter.com/SpikerIsAwesome/status/993928607692197888 …
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105/ Here's the side-by-side showing that
@AlexNowrasteh understood the objections as valid 4.5 years ago but then stonewalled and dismissed my independent discovery of the issue as "anonymous trolling" (The@CatoInstitute logo is nice and crisp, reminding us all WBTI.)pic.twitter.com/uvA0pyVCQO
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@wraithburn got@AlexNowrasteh to admit that first generation immigrants do in facto vote more Dem than natives. (just like their children and grandchildren do) Question for@CatoInstitute - why are you in favor of more immigration when your own ppl say they vote Dem?pic.twitter.com/Y1slJvegKz
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106/ LOL,
@AlexNowrasteh now has the assistance of some white knight who is connecting traits like!e "uses logic to dissect propaganda" & "wants a retraction of false data" to white supremacy. Good points;@AlexNowrasteh and@CatoInstitute should adopt!https://twitter.com/Sxeptomaniac/status/993887383064989696?s=19 …Show this thread -
107/ yes, that was choice; let me dig it up so that others may enjoy...https://twitter.com/wraithburn/status/994561014132822017 …
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@AlexNowrasteh engages lots of credentialism and ad hominems: calls people "trolls", "anonymous", "fools", etc. The one thing he won't do is admit that his immigration plans are bad for American liberty (...according to the GSS data that underlies his white papers!)Show this thread -
110/ I see
@AlexNowrasteh and@CatoInstitute have another paper. "Immigrants...consume a lower dollar value of benefits than native-born Americans." Interesting. One question: given that benefits are funded by progressive income taxes, who pays?https://twitter.com/CatoInstitute/status/994656789668028421 …
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111/ Given that most immigrants are poor, and poor people in the US pay close to zero in income taxes, I'll bet
@AlexNowrasteh a nickel that immigrants take more out of the welfare system than they pay into it. Want to make that bet@AlexNowrasteh ?Show this thread
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