The sole distinction is that they're closer to God than we are, since we're still on this Earth. Asking them to intercede for us is asking them to talk to God for us. And then HE acts. The saints don't act.
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Replying to @Sardaukar1337 @BostonDelendEst and
exactly "hey, 2nd cousin who works in the white house...can you put in a good word with Trump; I'd really like to get hired into the FBI" OMG YOU'RE CLAIMING YOUR COUSIN RUNS THE FBI ?? HOW MANY PRESIDENTS DO YOU THINK THERE ARE? 3? 4,000 ?!?!
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Replying to @MorlockP @BostonDelendEst and
now, that said, I find the idea of communicating w dead people and asking THEM to pay to God for me to be ... pretty weird. But weird != polytheism
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Sure, that's one definition. "Directing prayers to N entities" for N>1 is another. My broader point is that a strict and clear definition of monotheism/polytheism is hard, not really provable one way or the other, and everybody wants one that makes them the monotheist.
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Replying to @BostonDelendEst @MorlockP and
it's not "one definition." It's what the Catholic Church teaches.
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Replying to @Sardaukar1337 @MorlockP and
Yes. I don't dispute that this is what is taught. MY POINT is that other religions have different definitions of exactly what Catholics are doing, and don't have to concede those definitions, (theo)logically. Hence, Catholics have THEIR definition; it is one of several.
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sure it's like how Jews deny that they've got horns under their yarmulke, but WE KNOW...
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Replying to @MorlockP @BostonDelendEst and
"You may say you believe X, but let me tell you, it's really Y" is a shit tier argument and I hope you know that.
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Replying to @Sardaukar1337 @MorlockP and
No, that's not my argument. I'm not trying to say what *reality* is. Catholics are free to consider themselves monotheists by their own definitions. Jews and Protestants are free to consider what Catholics do, but THEIR own definitions, as not being monotheistic. /1
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Replying to @BostonDelendEst @MorlockP and
Accepting the Catholic definition as definitive requires accepting numerous principles of Catholic theology (e.g., that trinitarianism is NOT polytheism) that are simply not universally agreed upon. /2
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I agree with all of this
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Replying to @MorlockP @BostonDelendEst and
Same. Sorry for being unnecessarily hostile.
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Replying to @Sardaukar1337 @MorlockP and
No worries at all, my man. :) The hostility just makes me take it more seriously and be more precise in my phrasing. I find it intellectually bracing!
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