27/ Also, I'm in the Robert Heinlein camp (already covered in red tribe / gray tribe comment) and want to learn to do everything myself: tractor maintenance, butchering, wood working, welding, making maple syrup, brewing beer, harvesting hay, remediating soil, etc.)
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28/ So from this perspective, permaculture has many great ideas. If you're already putting down straw in the barn, then you've got waste...and you can compost that and put it on your gardens, and kill two birds with one stone (waste & fertilizer).
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29/ Permaculture also has tons of ideas that DO work on multiple criteria at once. Growing your own pumpkins to feed to your own pigs on top of the hay bales that are too musty for the sheep to eat: * fun * aesthetic AF * harvest = nice outdoor labor in fall * saves money
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30/ And if farming is your hobby, then there are endless fascinating recursive aspects to it. You can start breeding your own local varieties of animals or plants to deal with your microconditions (Hayekian local knowledge!) or write code about dirthttps://github.com/TJamesCorcoran/fertangular …
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31/ and finally, the third aspect of it: permaculture is stuff that people are already doing. It's fun to be the young firebrand who says "the old timers JUST DON'T GET IT MAN". ...but you know what? The old timers often DO get it. A lot of what permaculture fans criticize >
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32/ Is an extreme or parody or outdated view of farming. Farmers aren't dumb. Farmers aren't immoral (any more than the rest of humanity). Farmers are not ignorant of cutting edge tech. A lot of "permaculture innovations" are not.
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33/ You think it's genius to compost animal waste from your barn and fertilize your fields with it? The market provides tools for this, everything from low tech manure spreader carts to deep ground liquified manure injection.
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34/ A lot of permaculture fans, because they learn their stuff either in an academic (i.e. largely theoretical ) environment, or online, don't even KNOW about the world of professional farming.
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35/ Anyway: permaculture has some good stuff, some bad stuff, and some stuff that everyone already knew. 1) get out there and farm...if you want to. If not, don't. 2) consider buying a copy of my novel to subsidize my farming lulz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005JPPMS6 /exeunt
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Replying to @MorlockP @TheStalwart
Cool thread, and I don't even care about farming.
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