72/ 100% agreed. Curtis thought that docs written "his way" were best, and disagreed vehemently when folks tried to write docs that explained urbit concepts using existing terms for very very very similar concepts. This, I assert, was incompetent / badhttps://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502352677371478019 …
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73/ To be clear, I do not claim that CURTIS thinks gatekeeping is good. Curtis wants Urbit to be accessible to everyone, and has said [ in docs, I think ] that Urbit and Hoon are so simple that gradeschoolers can / should learn to program, using his pedagogic approach.https://twitter.com/DJSchreffler/status/1502353510456872962 …
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74/ I have heard two insiders - neither of them Curtis - say that high walls are good because they keep out normies. Curtis, in fairness, wants everyone to use Urbit / Hoon. ...and that's cool! Proper evangelical spirit !
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75/ And, again, my frustration w Hoon is not evidence that I think it's boring or bad or that I don't care - it's that I think it's good and interesting, but the community / company have unnecessary and bad self-sabotaging habits.
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76/ There is a third option: explaining concepts in a method other than cyclical definitions, keeping concept explanations and implementation details distinct, avoiding self indulgent side rants, using English keywords...https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502354415079989250 …
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77/ Curtis is like the Confederacy: he can achieve secession, and all he has to do is keep his nature in check. ...but the Scots Irish needed a glorious attack on Fort Sumter, and Curtis needed to write docs like a slam poet.
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78/ YES!!!!!!! EXACTLY THIS!!!!!!!! Hoon is very very similar to lisp, just with absolutely terrible keywords, an absolutely terrible formatting (two distinct format types, actually!), absolutely terrible variable norms (two, actually!).https://twitter.com/kingdweeb_/status/1502354895147454467 …
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potion seller, as seen in WIRED @kingdweeb_Replying to @MorlockPWhen I did a brief deep dive into Urbit I noticed how similar Hoon was to Lisp deep down (as a functional language built around closures), I feel like if it were just a Lisp dialect or if there were a Lisp->Hoon transpiler it'd be 1,000x more legible and enjoyable2 replies 0 retweets 29 likesShow this thread -
79/ so, here are some parts of Urbit that I think are good or at least interesting: * the virtual machine * the address system (galaxies, stars, etc.) * the cryptographic network between them
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80/ The terrible parts are all in Hoon: * runes * 'tall' and 'wide' code formatting * 'lapidary' (1 letter) var and 'normal' (4 letter) var names * malicious / incompetent documentation
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Fantastic thread. I agree with basically everything! To be fair, lisp has tall and wide formatting too
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