75/ And, again, my frustration w Hoon is not evidence that I think it's boring or bad or that I don't care - it's that I think it's good and interesting, but the community / company have unnecessary and bad self-sabotaging habits.
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87/ yeah, I'm happy it's having some success! I just think that it will explode in popularity once someone writes the-very-last-ever-program-in-Hoon, which is the interpreter for some better languagehttps://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502360815009157121 …
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88/ yeah, absolutely! I'm not saying "Urbit is doomed". I wish it success, and I think it has a decent chance of success. I'm talking about what I see as a necessary (and perhaps inevitable?) step in its evolution / climb.https://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502361942253572097 …
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89/ Folks inside the cult push back on absolutely every complaint from people banging on the doors saying "we're enthusiastic...we just can't understand the docs" by saying "they're casuals; the docs are great; if they WANTED to learn, they would"https://twitter.com/dendricide/status/1502363026414096390 …
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90/ yes! ...but that's a roundabout way of saying "...because of Curtis' sense of aesthetics"https://twitter.com/samuhyu/status/1502363384628477953 …
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91/ on a side note, I will never stop laughing that "arch conservative" cyg is actually, temperamentally, a Year Zero Maoist who doesn't want to preserve cultural norms w slow evolution, but instead wipe EVERYTHING clean like Le Corbusier's Killdozerhttps://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502363492011098113 …
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@0x49fa98 asks, and he receives https://tjic.com/archive/1_trees.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/2_subject.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/3_fp.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/4_trees.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/5_dojo.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/6_theory.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/7_clone_and_modify.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/8_clone_and_modify_more.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/8_cores.txt …Show this thread -
95/ The above are the first 9 chapters of what was going to be an "Intro to Hoon" book, because I got strong pushback that "no, this is the wrong way to explain things, we don't support this". ...at which point I shut down my urbit planet and walked away, dismayed / disgusted.
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97/ men want just one thing, and it's !@#-ing disgusting [ documentation that actually explains things ]pic.twitter.com/0wuwqHbA6n
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100/ but tweet #100 is self referentialhttps://twitter.com/leepavelich/status/1502380533849858048 …
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@pcmonk's disagreements w me are threaded ; if you want an overview of his stance, you can jump in here and scrollhttps://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502307438023757829 …Show this thread -
102/ me: "Tlon has made a lot of decisions that make it very hard for interested newbs to understand WTF they're talking about" a Tlom emploee / Urbit defender: "yes...that's because WE DON'T THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL" [ literal quote ]https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502347522794147840 …
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103/ Exactly Tlon is content with some fraction of people [ 5% ? 0.5% ? ] who want to learn Hoon being able to succeed bc of selection bias: they poll among those who succeed. They freely admit (see prev tweet) that they don't think about newbs at all.https://twitter.com/ThatDubiousCat/status/1502390438866554883 …
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105/ I gave up on it, because trying to contribute to a thing and being yelled at is demoralizing. (also, I had a personal snit with a related Name where I was repeatedly insulted for no reason ... so ...)https://twitter.com/LinManuelRwanda/status/1502403669643431945 …
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107/ wait - what does "1" mean?https://twitter.com/averykimball/status/1502406744680673280 …
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108/ very happy to hear it!https://twitter.com/SafePen/status/1502407383145848833 …
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112/ Hot damn, even
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115/ Yeah, once I figured out - despite the best efforts of the documentation writers - that the One Big Secret of Hoon was that you can't modify data, but you can clone-data-with-modifications, and then execute inside that cloned subject, it blew my mind. Very simple Very cool
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