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Two-time Prometheus award-winning hard science fiction author. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005JPPMS6  Learn how to homestead https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093BC3K1T 

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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted D.J. Schreffler

      73/ To be clear, I do not claim that CURTIS thinks gatekeeping is good. Curtis wants Urbit to be accessible to everyone, and has said [ in docs, I think ] that Urbit and Hoon are so simple that gradeschoolers can / should learn to program, using his pedagogic approach.https://twitter.com/DJSchreffler/status/1502353510456872962 …

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      D.J. Schreffler @DJSchreffler
      Replying to @MorlockP
      And going back to the beginning, Curtis/Tlon thinks that this cognitive gatekeeping is a good thing. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502348077075767298 …
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    2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      74/ I have heard two insiders - neither of them Curtis - say that high walls are good because they keep out normies. Curtis, in fairness, wants everyone to use Urbit / Hoon. ...and that's cool! Proper evangelical spirit !

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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      75/ And, again, my frustration w Hoon is not evidence that I think it's boring or bad or that I don't care - it's that I think it's good and interesting, but the community / company have unnecessary and bad self-sabotaging habits.

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    4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

      76/ There is a third option: explaining concepts in a method other than cyclical definitions, keeping concept explanations and implementation details distinct, avoiding self indulgent side rants, using English keywords...https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502354415079989250 …

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      Philip Monk @pcmonk
      FWIW I agree that Curtis is bad at writing docs. But "write docs like a normal software project" is also bad, and more dangerous for being harder to see. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502353254398758927 …
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    5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      77/ Curtis is like the Confederacy: he can achieve secession, and all he has to do is keep his nature in check. ...but the Scots Irish needed a glorious attack on Fort Sumter, and Curtis needed to write docs like a slam poet.

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    6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted potion seller, as seen in WIRED

      78/ YES!!!!!!! EXACTLY THIS!!!!!!!! Hoon is very very similar to lisp, just with absolutely terrible keywords, an absolutely terrible formatting (two distinct format types, actually!), absolutely terrible variable norms (two, actually!).https://twitter.com/kingdweeb_/status/1502354895147454467 …

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      potion seller, as seen in WIRED @kingdweeb_
      Replying to @MorlockP
      When I did a brief deep dive into Urbit I noticed how similar Hoon was to Lisp deep down (as a functional language built around closures), I feel like if it were just a Lisp dialect or if there were a Lisp->Hoon transpiler it'd be 1,000x more legible and enjoyable
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    7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      79/ so, here are some parts of Urbit that I think are good or at least interesting: * the virtual machine * the address system (galaxies, stars, etc.) * the cryptographic network between them

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    8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      80/ The terrible parts are all in Hoon: * runes * 'tall' and 'wide' code formatting * 'lapidary' (1 letter) var and 'normal' (4 letter) var names * malicious / incompetent documentation

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    9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      81/ What I'd like to see is * a decent language (lisp like, if you like prefix operators and parents, or Ruby like, if you like chaining postfix operators) written in Hoon, and then Hoon sealed off and abandoned forever and ever * decent docs

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    10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      82/ * a lack of official position on formatting code. Let a thousand flowers bloom. * a lack of official position on naming variables. * a lack of official position on what pedagogical techniques are best. Let the market decide!

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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      83/ One problem with geniuses is that they have opinions on EVERYTHING. A second problem is that that they can't distinguish "this is actually better than all that came before" from "actually I just have a PERSONAL preference for X over Y". Curtis trying to mandate style >

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        2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          84/ and variable names, and blah blah blah blah is an example of him elevating preference to dogma. (and enforcing some of them via the parsing of lines in the interpreter / console) The good thing about lack of standards (i.e. freedom) is people can make themselves at home.

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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          85/ You might be the world's best structural engineer / architect, and come up w a way that's 100x better to build homes ... but maybe consider that letting people pick their own paint and carpets instead of dictating the "best" choices might increase adoption ?

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        4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Stimulant Appreciator

          86/https://twitter.com/paleonormie/status/1502358770961326082 …

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          Stimulant Appreciator @paleonormie
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Reaching post #80 and I’m starting to feel like my instincts were spot on and Urbit is exactly the “utopian project biting off more than it can chew” that I feared it would be from the tone of the website
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        5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          87/ yeah, I'm happy it's having some success! I just think that it will explode in popularity once someone writes the-very-last-ever-program-in-Hoon, which is the interpreter for some better languagehttps://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502360815009157121 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @paleonormie @MorlockP
          otoh, seems to work well enough and afaict the userbase is growing. maybe market pressures will push it in less curtis-y directions?
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        6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          88/ yeah, absolutely! I'm not saying "Urbit is doomed". I wish it success, and I think it has a decent chance of success. I'm talking about what I see as a necessary (and perhaps inevitable?) step in its evolution / climb.https://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502361942253572097 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @MorlockP
          well, if the user base grows enough, it will need to attract (lots) more developers - maybe a combination of "how do we get more developers?" and those developers they already have outside the gates waving pitchforks will lead to some improvements
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        7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Vehicular Man's Laughter  🤾‍♂️ 💥 🚗

          89/ Folks inside the cult push back on absolutely every complaint from people banging on the doors saying "we're enthusiastic...we just can't understand the docs" by saying "they're casuals; the docs are great; if they WANTED to learn, they would"https://twitter.com/dendricide/status/1502363026414096390 …

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs added,

          Vehicular Man's Laughter  🤾‍♂️ 💥 🚗 @dendricide
          Replying to @MorlockP
          glad to have my impressions vindicated by someone with more involvement w the project pic.twitter.com/ytow8XLIYI
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        8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Sam Hughes

          90/ yes! ...but that's a roundabout way of saying "...because of Curtis' sense of aesthetics"https://twitter.com/samuhyu/status/1502363384628477953 …

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          Sam Hughes @samuhyu
          Replying to @MorlockP
          I had assumed this was for some sensible reason having to do with being a distributed system and being purely functional. It actually had no arrays (and pure FP) solely for VM simplicity?
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        9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          91/ on a side note, I will never stop laughing that "arch conservative" cyg is actually, temperamentally, a Year Zero Maoist who doesn't want to preserve cultural norms w slow evolution, but instead wipe EVERYTHING clean like Le Corbusier's Killdozerhttps://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502363492011098113 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @MorlockP
          of course, curtis may be on to something, which is to say, when the youngsters find urbit they may not object so much to learning hoon (not having put in decades with things that, you know, "make sense", and still having somewhat plastic neural pathways).
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        10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          92/https://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502363914528604172 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @MorlockP
          forget about the developer docs (not a programmer, haven't really even looked at them), the USER docs are pretty bad and would be trivially easy to improve.
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        11. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Zero HP Lovecraft  🦅 🐍

          93/https://twitter.com/0x49fa98/status/1502365645085761540 …

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          Zero HP Lovecraft  🦅 🐍 @0x49fa98
          Replying to @MorlockP
          now I want to read your docs because every time I have glanced at the hoon docs I have gotten tired faster than simone biles
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        12. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          94/ @0x49fa98 asks, and he receives https://tjic.com/archive/1_trees.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/2_subject.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/3_fp.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/4_trees.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/5_dojo.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/6_theory.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/7_clone_and_modify.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/8_clone_and_modify_more.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/8_cores.txt …

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        13. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          95/ The above are the first 9 chapters of what was going to be an "Intro to Hoon" book, because I got strong pushback that "no, this is the wrong way to explain things, we don't support this". ...at which point I shut down my urbit planet and walked away, dismayed / disgusted.

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        14. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted saint heart  ✨ reopening shop delayed

          96/https://twitter.com/heartcafecup/status/1502368455613292544 …

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          saint heart  ✨ reopening shop delayed @heartcafecup
          it’s kinda insane how we hammer into first year CS students to use clear variable names and not just “myVariable” or “var1” and then you see industry people taking what looks like brainfuck seriously. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502327972598067207 …
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        15. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          97/ men want just one thing, and it's !@#-ing disgusting [ documentation that actually explains things ]pic.twitter.com/0wuwqHbA6n

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        16. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          98/pic.twitter.com/ErwCjeCXwK

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        17. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          99/ there is no tweet #99

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        18. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Lee

          100/ but tweet #100 is self referentialhttps://twitter.com/leepavelich/status/1502380533849858048 …

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          Lee @leepavelich
          .@MorlockP is writing a 100-tweet thread about Urbit pic.twitter.com/ZxnhuHdsDL
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        19. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

          101/ @pcmonk's disagreements w me are threaded ; if you want an overview of his stance, you can jump in here and scrollhttps://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502307438023757829 …

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          Philip Monk @pcmonk
          Reminder that everyone who says this is making it up. I've been a part of the project for 8 years and have never seen anyone do anything intentionally to make things harder to understand (With the arguable exception of true==0) https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502280882383695876?t=OIq_9owprmy772ryylWViA …
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        20. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

          102/ me: "Tlon has made a lot of decisions that make it very hard for interested newbs to understand WTF they're talking about" a Tlom emploee / Urbit defender: "yes...that's because WE DON'T THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL" [ literal quote ]https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502347522794147840 …

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          Philip Monk @pcmonk
          There's a sense in which this principle is "intentionally discomforting", but not to "the mundanes". It's just not a decision made for how it affects the learning process. "I don't think about you at all", etc
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        21. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted That Dubious Cat™

          103/ Exactly Tlon is content with some fraction of people [ 5% ? 0.5% ? ] who want to learn Hoon being able to succeed bc of selection bias: they poll among those who succeed. They freely admit (see prev tweet) that they don't think about newbs at all.https://twitter.com/ThatDubiousCat/status/1502390438866554883 …

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          That Dubious Cat™ @ThatDubiousCat
          Replying to @MorlockP @pcmonk
          Reads like there's a dissonance between getting people to program in Urbit to create lots of neat sharable things combining with "Fuck you, git gud, loser."
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        22. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted ~hanfel-dovned

          104/ great!https://twitter.com/hanfel_dovned/status/1502392182434504707 …

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          ~hanfel-dovned @hanfel_dovned
          Replying to @0x49fa98 @MorlockP
          I'm relatively new to Urbit and can't speak to the history, but drastically improving the docs and education is one of the Foundation's main goals this year https://github.com/urbit/foundation …
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        23. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Lin Manuel Rwanda

          105/ I gave up on it, because trying to contribute to a thing and being yelled at is demoralizing. (also, I had a personal snit with a related Name where I was repeatedly insulted for no reason ... so ...)https://twitter.com/LinManuelRwanda/status/1502403669643431945 …

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          Lin Manuel Rwanda @LinManuelRwanda
          Replying to @MorlockP @0x49fa98
          I didn’t realise it was you who was doing this project. Always wondered what happened to it…
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        24. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          106/pic.twitter.com/iWGu9Ir7nC

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        25. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted avery

          107/ wait - what does "1" mean?https://twitter.com/averykimball/status/1502406744680673280 …

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs added,

          avery @averykimball
          wood u use a binary measurement system
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        26. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted ~rabsef-bicrym of Quartus

          108/ very happy to hear it!https://twitter.com/SafePen/status/1502407383145848833 …

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs added,

          ~rabsef-bicrym of Quartus @SafePen
          The docs are really straightforward and helpful now. They deserve a review if you haven’t looked in 4-6 months. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502314993924153355 …
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        27. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Eddie, Son of Richard

          109/https://twitter.com/random_eddie/status/1502408410704265216 …

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          Eddie, Son of Richard @random_eddie
          Replying to @MorlockP @pcmonk
          this is fucking hysterical "get the pedagogy right" IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD pic.twitter.com/bP7EMRpal3
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        28. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Eddie, Son of Richard

          110/https://twitter.com/random_eddie/status/1502408526802690052 …

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          Eddie, Son of Richard @random_eddie
          Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP @pcmonk
          If you have to "go into research mode, both theoretical and applied" in order to figure out how to a) teach someone a new programming language and b) explain to consumers what your product does... maybe you shouldn't be the ones trying to do that.
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        29. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Eddie, Son of Richard

          111/https://twitter.com/random_eddie/status/1502408992366153731 …

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          Eddie, Son of Richard @random_eddie
          Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
          pic.twitter.com/be7bjWyJyT
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        30. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Robin Hanson

          112/ Hot damn, even @robinhanson wants in on the Urbit thread!https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/1502410521697390594 …

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          Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
          You could either try to make (A) your own thoughts cleaner & more coherent, or you could try to do that for the writings of a (B) random college student, (C) current world leader, or (D) famous thinker in history. Whose thoughts would you rather clean & make coherent?
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        31. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          113/pic.twitter.com/YKbwTJSLiZ

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