66/ That's great to hear that it's enjoyable! I last banged my head on Hoon ~3 years ago and I'd love to hear that the documentation & pedagogy has improved.https://twitter.com/pharkarpas/status/1502331332722053126 …
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67/ Yeah, I was soooo demoralized when I was trying to learn Hoon and nothing clicked...but then I realized that I'd ask questions - reasonable questions - and the answers were circular Once I got it, and wrote it up in decent documentation, folks could learn key bits instantlypic.twitter.com/1HqYLsLa8L
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68/ Phillip, the fact that I have data of something like n=15, where I explained Hoon core concepts in simple English and people GOT IT, IMMEDIATELY whereas they had tried and failed using Curtis / Tlon docs, is evidence that I'm right. >>>https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502347516724973570 …
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69/ Also
@pcmonk, would you care to address my claims that TWO documentation people quit Tlon bc they were trying to write accessible docs, and they weren't allowed to? And my further claim that I received terribly negative feedback from cyg for my attempt at the same?2 replies 0 retweets 20 likesShow this thread -
70/ bc my three factual claims * 2 doc writers quit * my n=15 experiment helped people a lot * cyg shit on this
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if true (and they are) go pretty far towards proving "it doesn't need to be this hard; Tlon's approach was incompetent and/or malicious".3 replies 0 retweets 18 likesShow this thread -
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72/ 100% agreed. Curtis thought that docs written "his way" were best, and disagreed vehemently when folks tried to write docs that explained urbit concepts using existing terms for very very very similar concepts. This, I assert, was incompetent / badhttps://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502352677371478019 …
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Philip Monk @pcmonkCan't speak for those people, but lots of people have quit for various reasons, including creative differences (on both docs and code). The problem was not that Curtis didn't want docs to be accessible; they disagreed about what made them accessible. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502348341446914049 …Show this thread2 replies 1 retweet 20 likesShow this thread -
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73/ To be clear, I do not claim that CURTIS thinks gatekeeping is good. Curtis wants Urbit to be accessible to everyone, and has said [ in docs, I think ] that Urbit and Hoon are so simple that gradeschoolers can / should learn to program, using his pedagogic approach.https://twitter.com/DJSchreffler/status/1502353510456872962 …
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74/ I have heard two insiders - neither of them Curtis - say that high walls are good because they keep out normies. Curtis, in fairness, wants everyone to use Urbit / Hoon. ...and that's cool! Proper evangelical spirit !
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I am corrected. I apologize for not going back and re-reading the start of the thread.
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nope, it was a subtle distinction and I was probably unclear
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