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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      62/ So, on the topic of "hate", Roissy said that the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. I am angry at Hoon, not bc it means nothing to me, but because I WANT to love it, and I feel spurned. I tried hard to master it, and ... was 50% defeated by the docs.

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    2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      63/ ...and once I realized JUST HOW SIMPLE IT IS, I got very very angry. I hadn't been banging my head on understanding some deep mystery of the universe which is intrinsically hard - I had been banging my head on malevolent documentation designed to keep people out.

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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      64/ I didn't say "it surprised me". I said "it made me angry".pic.twitter.com/JpQDJBgpX6

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    4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Eric Richards

      65/ Yeah, I was actually making notes for a Ruby-like language that could run in a written-in-Hoon interpretter.https://twitter.com/EricRichards22/status/1502334066166800385 …

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      Eric Richards @EricRichards22
      Replying to @MorlockP
      I'm imagining that somebody could build a C-like to Hoon transpiler?
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    5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Erik

      66/ That's great to hear that it's enjoyable! I last banged my head on Hoon ~3 years ago and I'd love to hear that the documentation & pedagogy has improved.https://twitter.com/pharkarpas/status/1502331332722053126 …

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      Erik @pharkarpas
      Replying to @MorlockP
      I'm taking Hoon School at the moment. It's very enjoyable. However, I'd love for you to write a guide to Hoon, or at least on some of the most useful concepts!
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    6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      67/ Yeah, I was soooo demoralized when I was trying to learn Hoon and nothing clicked...but then I realized that I'd ask questions - reasonable questions - and the answers were circular Once I got it, and wrote it up in decent documentation, folks could learn key bits instantlypic.twitter.com/1HqYLsLa8L

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    7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

      68/ Phillip, the fact that I have data of something like n=15, where I explained Hoon core concepts in simple English and people GOT IT, IMMEDIATELY whereas they had tried and failed using Curtis / Tlon docs, is evidence that I'm right. >>>https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502347516724973570 …

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      Philip Monk @pcmonk
      A problem with people in general is they assume that everyone is always talking to them in their current state, and to the degree that it's hard to understand, it's either incompetent or malicious. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502316829133479938 …
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    8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      69/ Also @pcmonk, would you care to address my claims that TWO documentation people quit Tlon bc they were trying to write accessible docs, and they weren't allowed to? And my further claim that I received terribly negative feedback from cyg for my attempt at the same?

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    9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      70/ bc my three factual claims * 2 doc writers quit * my n=15 experiment helped people a lot * cyg shit on this ☝ attempt if true (and they are) go pretty far towards proving "it doesn't need to be this hard; Tlon's approach was incompetent and/or malicious".

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    10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Fenton Wood

      71/https://twitter.com/WoodFenton/status/1502347647692115971 …

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      Fenton Wood @WoodFenton
      I used to wonder why a tech company (Tlon) was named for a terrifying Borges story about a constructed world & language with its own mind-bending logic. Funny you should ask... https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502278405391331332 …
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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

      72/ 100% agreed. Curtis thought that docs written "his way" were best, and disagreed vehemently when folks tried to write docs that explained urbit concepts using existing terms for very very very similar concepts. This, I assert, was incompetent / badhttps://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502352677371478019 …

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      Philip Monk @pcmonk
      Can't speak for those people, but lots of people have quit for various reasons, including creative differences (on both docs and code). The problem was not that Curtis didn't want docs to be accessible; they disagreed about what made them accessible. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502348341446914049 …
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        2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted D.J. Schreffler

          73/ To be clear, I do not claim that CURTIS thinks gatekeeping is good. Curtis wants Urbit to be accessible to everyone, and has said [ in docs, I think ] that Urbit and Hoon are so simple that gradeschoolers can / should learn to program, using his pedagogic approach.https://twitter.com/DJSchreffler/status/1502353510456872962 …

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          D.J. Schreffler @DJSchreffler
          Replying to @MorlockP
          And going back to the beginning, Curtis/Tlon thinks that this cognitive gatekeeping is a good thing. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502348077075767298 …
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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          74/ I have heard two insiders - neither of them Curtis - say that high walls are good because they keep out normies. Curtis, in fairness, wants everyone to use Urbit / Hoon. ...and that's cool! Proper evangelical spirit !

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        4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          75/ And, again, my frustration w Hoon is not evidence that I think it's boring or bad or that I don't care - it's that I think it's good and interesting, but the community / company have unnecessary and bad self-sabotaging habits.

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        5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

          76/ There is a third option: explaining concepts in a method other than cyclical definitions, keeping concept explanations and implementation details distinct, avoiding self indulgent side rants, using English keywords...https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502354415079989250 …

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          Philip Monk @pcmonk
          FWIW I agree that Curtis is bad at writing docs. But "write docs like a normal software project" is also bad, and more dangerous for being harder to see. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502353254398758927 …
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        6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          77/ Curtis is like the Confederacy: he can achieve secession, and all he has to do is keep his nature in check. ...but the Scots Irish needed a glorious attack on Fort Sumter, and Curtis needed to write docs like a slam poet.

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        7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted potion seller, as seen in WIRED

          78/ YES!!!!!!! EXACTLY THIS!!!!!!!! Hoon is very very similar to lisp, just with absolutely terrible keywords, an absolutely terrible formatting (two distinct format types, actually!), absolutely terrible variable norms (two, actually!).https://twitter.com/kingdweeb_/status/1502354895147454467 …

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          potion seller, as seen in WIRED @kingdweeb_
          Replying to @MorlockP
          When I did a brief deep dive into Urbit I noticed how similar Hoon was to Lisp deep down (as a functional language built around closures), I feel like if it were just a Lisp dialect or if there were a Lisp->Hoon transpiler it'd be 1,000x more legible and enjoyable
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        8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          79/ so, here are some parts of Urbit that I think are good or at least interesting: * the virtual machine * the address system (galaxies, stars, etc.) * the cryptographic network between them

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        9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          80/ The terrible parts are all in Hoon: * runes * 'tall' and 'wide' code formatting * 'lapidary' (1 letter) var and 'normal' (4 letter) var names * malicious / incompetent documentation

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        10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          81/ What I'd like to see is * a decent language (lisp like, if you like prefix operators and parents, or Ruby like, if you like chaining postfix operators) written in Hoon, and then Hoon sealed off and abandoned forever and ever * decent docs

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        11. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          82/ * a lack of official position on formatting code. Let a thousand flowers bloom. * a lack of official position on naming variables. * a lack of official position on what pedagogical techniques are best. Let the market decide!

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        12. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          83/ One problem with geniuses is that they have opinions on EVERYTHING. A second problem is that that they can't distinguish "this is actually better than all that came before" from "actually I just have a PERSONAL preference for X over Y". Curtis trying to mandate style >

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        13. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          84/ and variable names, and blah blah blah blah is an example of him elevating preference to dogma. (and enforcing some of them via the parsing of lines in the interpreter / console) The good thing about lack of standards (i.e. freedom) is people can make themselves at home.

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        14. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          85/ You might be the world's best structural engineer / architect, and come up w a way that's 100x better to build homes ... but maybe consider that letting people pick their own paint and carpets instead of dictating the "best" choices might increase adoption ?

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        15. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Stimulant Appreciator

          86/https://twitter.com/paleonormie/status/1502358770961326082 …

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          Stimulant Appreciator @paleonormie
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Reaching post #80 and I’m starting to feel like my instincts were spot on and Urbit is exactly the “utopian project biting off more than it can chew” that I feared it would be from the tone of the website
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        16. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          87/ yeah, I'm happy it's having some success! I just think that it will explode in popularity once someone writes the-very-last-ever-program-in-Hoon, which is the interpreter for some better languagehttps://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502360815009157121 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @paleonormie @MorlockP
          otoh, seems to work well enough and afaict the userbase is growing. maybe market pressures will push it in less curtis-y directions?
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        17. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          88/ yeah, absolutely! I'm not saying "Urbit is doomed". I wish it success, and I think it has a decent chance of success. I'm talking about what I see as a necessary (and perhaps inevitable?) step in its evolution / climb.https://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502361942253572097 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @MorlockP
          well, if the user base grows enough, it will need to attract (lots) more developers - maybe a combination of "how do we get more developers?" and those developers they already have outside the gates waving pitchforks will lead to some improvements
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        18. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Vehicular Man's Laughter  🤾‍♂️ 💥 🚗

          89/ Folks inside the cult push back on absolutely every complaint from people banging on the doors saying "we're enthusiastic...we just can't understand the docs" by saying "they're casuals; the docs are great; if they WANTED to learn, they would"https://twitter.com/dendricide/status/1502363026414096390 …

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          Vehicular Man's Laughter  🤾‍♂️ 💥 🚗 @dendricide
          Replying to @MorlockP
          glad to have my impressions vindicated by someone with more involvement w the project pic.twitter.com/ytow8XLIYI
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        19. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Sam Hughes

          90/ yes! ...but that's a roundabout way of saying "...because of Curtis' sense of aesthetics"https://twitter.com/samuhyu/status/1502363384628477953 …

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          Sam Hughes @samuhyu
          Replying to @MorlockP
          I had assumed this was for some sensible reason having to do with being a distributed system and being purely functional. It actually had no arrays (and pure FP) solely for VM simplicity?
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        20. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          91/ on a side note, I will never stop laughing that "arch conservative" cyg is actually, temperamentally, a Year Zero Maoist who doesn't want to preserve cultural norms w slow evolution, but instead wipe EVERYTHING clean like Le Corbusier's Killdozerhttps://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502363492011098113 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @MorlockP
          of course, curtis may be on to something, which is to say, when the youngsters find urbit they may not object so much to learning hoon (not having put in decades with things that, you know, "make sense", and still having somewhat plastic neural pathways).
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        21. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted silicon age tulpa

          92/https://twitter.com/mr_archenemy/status/1502363914528604172 …

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          silicon age tulpa @mr_archenemy
          Replying to @MorlockP
          forget about the developer docs (not a programmer, haven't really even looked at them), the USER docs are pretty bad and would be trivially easy to improve.
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        22. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Zero HP Lovecraft  🦅 🐍

          93/https://twitter.com/0x49fa98/status/1502365645085761540 …

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          Zero HP Lovecraft  🦅 🐍 @0x49fa98
          Replying to @MorlockP
          now I want to read your docs because every time I have glanced at the hoon docs I have gotten tired faster than simone biles
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        23. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          94/ @0x49fa98 asks, and he receives https://tjic.com/archive/1_trees.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/2_subject.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/3_fp.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/4_trees.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/5_dojo.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/6_theory.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/7_clone_and_modify.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/8_clone_and_modify_more.txt … https://tjic.com/archive/8_cores.txt …

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        24. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          95/ The above are the first 9 chapters of what was going to be an "Intro to Hoon" book, because I got strong pushback that "no, this is the wrong way to explain things, we don't support this". ...at which point I shut down my urbit planet and walked away, dismayed / disgusted.

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        25. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted saint heart  ✨ reopening shop delayed

          96/https://twitter.com/heartcafecup/status/1502368455613292544 …

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          saint heart  ✨ reopening shop delayed @heartcafecup
          it’s kinda insane how we hammer into first year CS students to use clear variable names and not just “myVariable” or “var1” and then you see industry people taking what looks like brainfuck seriously. https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502327972598067207 …
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        26. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          97/ men want just one thing, and it's !@#-ing disgusting [ documentation that actually explains things ]pic.twitter.com/0wuwqHbA6n

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        27. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          98/pic.twitter.com/ErwCjeCXwK

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        28. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          99/ there is no tweet #99

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        29. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Lee

          100/ but tweet #100 is self referentialhttps://twitter.com/leepavelich/status/1502380533849858048 …

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          Lee @leepavelich
          .@MorlockP is writing a 100-tweet thread about Urbit pic.twitter.com/ZxnhuHdsDL
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        30. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

          101/ @pcmonk's disagreements w me are threaded ; if you want an overview of his stance, you can jump in here and scrollhttps://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502307438023757829 …

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          Philip Monk @pcmonk
          Reminder that everyone who says this is making it up. I've been a part of the project for 8 years and have never seen anyone do anything intentionally to make things harder to understand (With the arguable exception of true==0) https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1502280882383695876?t=OIq_9owprmy772ryylWViA …
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        31. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP Mar 11

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Philip Monk

          102/ me: "Tlon has made a lot of decisions that make it very hard for interested newbs to understand WTF they're talking about" a Tlom emploee / Urbit defender: "yes...that's because WE DON'T THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL" [ literal quote ]https://twitter.com/pcmonk/status/1502347522794147840 …

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          Philip Monk @pcmonk
          There's a sense in which this principle is "intentionally discomforting", but not to "the mundanes". It's just not a decision made for how it affects the learning process. "I don't think about you at all", etc
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