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Two-time Prometheus award-winning hard science fiction author. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005JPPMS6  Learn how to homestead https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093BC3K1T 

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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted N. Bourbaki, Roscoe Filburn Respecter

      1/ colors in other cultures are fascinating the canonical example is Homer's "the wine dark sea" in The Illiad .https://twitter.com/d08890/status/1437385911294103560 …

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      N. Bourbaki, Roscoe Filburn Respecter @d08890
      though it's sometimes hard to tell what the color associations mean in norse mythology e.g. heimdallr is described in Þrymskviða as ``whitest of the gods'', but this (old norse ``hvítastr ása'') is also sometimes translated as ``brightest of the gods''
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    2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      2/ There are at least things going on w colors: * other cultures divide the spectrum up into more or fewer discrete colors * specular effects (reflectivity / glossiness / etc.) sometimes get conflated with what we would call colorhttps://clarkesworldmagazine.com/hoffman_01_13/ 

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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      3/ It turns out that there's a general sequence at which cultures add color words. When a culture has just two colors, they are white / bright and black / dark. red is added next, IIRC green and blue typically are one color at first, and then split into two etc

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    4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      4/ I'm working on the outline for my next two novels right now, and while I'm concentrating on character arcs and plot points at the moment, I'll get into a constructed language (or two) for the uplifted dogs, and part of them is thinking deep about language and perception

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    5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      5/ human eyes have rod cells (which are sensitive in low light situations, but which do not discriminate on colors) and cones (which are less sensitive, but do discriminate on colors and come in 3 varieties - by default - see alsohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy#Humans …

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    6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      6/ Canis familiaris have more rods than humans, but only two types of cones ( blue-violet and yellow, as contrasted to our R, G, B).pic.twitter.com/S3Exj1YrJD

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    7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      7/ so getting back to how some cultures conflate specular effects with colors, given that dogs have a wide dynamic range of BRIGHTNESS but fewer colors, it seems plausible that they might load more linguistic freight onto the brightness aspect of their language

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    8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      8/ where we use colors a lot in metaphors (red letter day, scarlet letter, etc) intelligent dogs - at least ones without a trichromatic upgrade - (a) would never use the color terms red and orange literally, (b) might talk about "bright letter days", etc., >>>

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    9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      9/ (c) could, if their conlang had words for colors they can't see, repurpose those words for other purpose. Of course, since we're talking about perceptual space, we also need to address the fact that humans have ~ 5 M smell receptor cells while dogs have ~300 M

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    10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      10/ so it's not just that a "red letter day" might be a "bright letter day", but that it could perhaps be a "fresh cut grass day" ...or maybe there'd be a ton more nuance than that "fresh cut Timothy Grass with hints of clover after rain" day

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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

      11/ the list of linguistic textbooks I'm using as I dig into a constructed language is pretty straightforward and about what you'd guess with a bit of googling, but I'm finding that wine making books are a very good tool for thinking about smells ; oneophiles have done much work

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        2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted

          12/ The novels only mention it a bit the prequel short story The Team gives more information https://www.amazon.com/Team-Aristillus-Travis-J-Corcoran/dp/1709959991/ … https://twitter.com/mattbramanti/status/1437390461925306372 …

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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          13/ also, there is a tiny tiny Easter egg buried in the early part of the 2nd novel, IIRC, where the flood of Earth refugees is arriving at Aristillus that suggests that the dogs are, through cutouts, trying to hire genetic engineers with expertise on eyespic.twitter.com/reDcv0VEIg

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        4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted N. Bourbaki, Roscoe Filburn Respecter

          14/ yeshttps://twitter.com/d08890/status/1437388281298264075 …

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          N. Bourbaki, Roscoe Filburn Respecter @d08890
          Replying to @MorlockP
          see also: the description of ravens in norse mythology (again) you might think the obvious choice for describing them is ``svartr'' (black) but they are sometimes described as ``blár'' (blue/black), for perhaps the obvious reason: ravens look blue in strong sunlight
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        5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Red Headed Steppeson

          15/ Aristillus 3 and 4 spoilers: the two phyles of dogs, which split after the Discord (off screen post book-2) call themselves Blues and Oranges.https://twitter.com/TheLumpenprole/status/1437387673119961094 …

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          Red Headed Steppeson @TheLumpenprole
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          Truly blue and orange morality
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        6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted AngelsWalk!

          16/https://twitter.com/LAWGermany/status/1437393918723858434 …

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          AngelsWalk! @LAWGermany
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Books on ancient scents, perfume history, they have amazing words, and recipes for what they mix to attain their perfumes. A dog could detect every ingredient, whereas we'd smell the blend, but not be certain what was added. It fascinates me, (can ya tell?)
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        7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted The Bicoloured-Python-Rock-Snake

          17/ also, obligatory shout out to "A Deepness in the Sky" where Vinge had a very quick passing reference to the Spider's having a color called "plaid" which packed so much into one word >>>https://twitter.com/pythonrocksnake/status/1437399518568398853 …

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          The Bicoloured-Python-Rock-Snake @pythonrocksnake
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          "Gold" and "silver" crayons, which are a bit sparkly, are a good example for explaining how differentiation of specular effects works. There's a flat warm yellow hue that sometimes gets called gold even if it's not shiny, but flat silver is just gray.
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        8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          18/ The implication, to my mind, was some sort of incomplete-sensor-fusion effect, off in the direction of human perceptions of "impossible" or "chimerical" colorshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color …

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        9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 13 Sep 2021

          19/ LOL, damnit, the "impossible color" wiki article references the Vinge book I mentioned!

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