4/ Concrete examples: 55 mph is a norm, because it's the expected / specified speed the state traffic code is normative because it defines that norm 65 mph is normal, bc it's common
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5/ however, the normal and the norm don't always differ ; in a school zone 30mph might be both the norm and the normal speed
@wx_underground was saying that I was using "normal" incorrectly for...reasons that are unclear to me. That's kinda normal tho.2 replies 0 retweets 18 likesShow this thread -
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6/ normative - adj 1: of, relating to, or determining norms or standards normative tests 2: conforming to or based on norms normative behavior normative judgments 3: prescribing (see PRESCRIBE sense 1) norms normative rules of ethics normative grammarhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419734303513071644 …
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Dan Holley @wx_undergroundReplying to @wx_underground @MorlockPNormative absolutely does not define the norm, which is where I think the disconnect is. Picking your nose is absolutely the norm; 100% of us do it, multiple times, every day. But we're pretty cagy about how and when we do it because it's extremely non-normative.2 replies 0 retweets 14 likesShow this thread -
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7/ I am quoting the dictionary at you, and you are ignoring that and ... giving me your own definitions that contradict the dictionary. I don't know why you're doing this. I can go downstairs and quote the OED if you'd prefer?https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419734555041288217 …
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8/ "If you're [ doing a thing that you're not doing ] you're incorrect" that may very well be truehttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419735071293001738 …
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9/ Sure, language is always changing. That does not, however, mean that you were correct when you said that I was incorrect. You were wrong. I've presented evidence to support my usage, you have not presented evidence to support yours.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419735452366491650 …
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Dan Holley @wx_undergroundReplying to @MorlockP5 Precepts of the English Language (1952): Language is always changing Change is normal The spoken language is the language Correctness rests upon usage All usage is relative The way that you're using the terms, in this specific, usage-relevant case, is wrong.3 replies 0 retweets 19 likesShow this thread -
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Replying to @NoLongerBennett @MorlockP
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/-al This is what happens when people learn English in a school and not intuitively by the age of 3.
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My suggestion is that "norm" has a connotation (not a crisp definition, mind) of "descended from authority" (even that of the crowd), while "normal" has a connotation of "emergent". Men being 5'10" is normal. Washing your hands is a norm. The sign saying "wash hands" = normative
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Replying to @MorlockP @NoLongerBennett
I think of a norm as a principle. "Normal" are the symptoms that appear to derive from some sort of principle or rule of nature.
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Replying to @NoLongerBennett @novummed
I assume the latter, but I'd want to check the dictionary before having an Opinion
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