6/ normative - adj 1: of, relating to, or determining norms or standards normative tests 2: conforming to or based on norms normative behavior normative judgments 3: prescribing (see PRESCRIBE sense 1) norms normative rules of ethics normative grammarhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419734303513071644 …
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18/ But you said "another hasty misreading", and I'm confused. What was the first "hasty misreading" I made?https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419739152904458240 …
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19/ but, getting back to this...https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419737166444302342 …
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20/ which you characterize as > your original suggestion that "normal" and "normative" are 1:1 interchangeable
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22/ you failed to understand my point. I NEVER suggested that EDUCATED people consider the two words interchangeable. I suggested that the words have UTTERLY DISTINCT MEANINGS and UNEDUCATED people do not realize that.
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23/ Now, getting back to your point that I should defer to sociologists - an academic discipline that dates back to around 1900 - on the definition of the term "normative": why would I do that when the word was used outside of that discipline BEFORE then?pic.twitter.com/zk9EKTR18o
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24/ so, let's recap: * me, in the initial tweet: people use "normative" when they mean "normal", and that's LOL * you: lol, derp, those words mean different things, but you're so dumb you don't realize it * me: no, my POINT was that they mean different things
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25/ * you: ok, but what you THINK "normative" means is wrong * me: Merriam-Webster dictionary agrees with me * you: lol, words change * me: yes, agreed * you: so that dictionary is wrong * me: the Oxford English Dictionary agrees with me * you: lol, maybe a long time ago
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26/ I am actually a descriptivist when it comes to dictionaries and language. I argue with my friend
@BostonDelendEst about this all the time. I AGREE that words mean how their users use them. You are simultaneously being a descriptivist and a prescriptivist and its hilariousShow this thread -
27/ You are arguing (a) that *** I *** can not refer to general purpose dictionaries that are recently published and which take their definitions from vernacular usage and (b) I must defer to THE SOCIOLOGISTS because they define the term.
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28/ by "a sociological context" we're talking about "morning mix" department at The Washington Post, I guess. Which is where this thread started.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419743795759837185 …
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29/ oh !@#$#, I have been called "unlettered" that's gonna leave a mark how shall I recover? I don't have a CREDENTIALhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419742756071608325 …
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30/ re "anti-intellectualist": I am very much in favor of intellectualism. ...that is why I am against credentialism, which tends to extinguish its natural enemy, intellectualism.
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31/ For the second time, I will apologize for nodding off in your bio, somewhere between the brain emoji and "he/him". It was wrong of me, and I will strive to not repeat the error.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419743007541137408 …
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32/ (a) I'm not outraged; I'm having fun (b) you never said the word "dumb", instead you used "hasty", "knee-jerk", "anti-intellectual", "unlettered", "sloppy", "lack of nuance", etc. I thought (and still think) it a fair act of condensing.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419744614647402521 …
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33/ No, I'm literally not. I only want to use the CURRENT use of normal / norm / normative, but I was introducing the historical evidence for one particular point: to show that the word antedated the discipline of sociology.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419745951984488448 …
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34/ My favorite fights are against arrogant credentialed goofballs. brain-emoji Dan isn't even in the top 10 #2 is Alex Nowrasteh of Cato #1 was "Fag with PhD" (his username) back at my old http://tjic.com blog. My GOSH that was a bloodbathhttps://twitter.com/Latentem/status/1419746186487992331 …
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35/ yep. Someone @-ed me and mentioned Paul Fussel and "Class", and that's exactly right [ and a good book ]https://twitter.com/sirsfurther/status/1419760346999541766 …
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