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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

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      > “It’s a reminder that behaviors that seem so normative to us often do not occur in the rest of the world. around 5 years ago half the population decided that using "normative" when they meant "normal" would make them sound smarter narrator: it does not https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1419706294571786248 …

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    2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

      2/ Yes, I understand that they have distinct meanings. Yes, you are correct about the def of "norm". No, I was not using "normal" incorrectly. normal - adj - conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, or type; typical.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419731531170402333 …

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      Dan Holley @wx_underground
      Replying to @MorlockP
      They have distinct meanings. It's normal—but not normative—to embellish your resume. In any case, you and Mr. Khan, respectively, are using "normal" and "normative" incorrectly. X's frequency of occurrence relates to whether X is a *norm,* not whether it's normal or normative.
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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      3/ For those playing along at home: norm - a standard or expectation normal - typical / common (and also adhering to a norm, bc that's common) normative - relating to or defining the norm >>>

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    4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      4/ Concrete examples: 55 mph is a norm, because it's the expected / specified speed the state traffic code is normative because it defines that norm 65 mph is normal, bc it's common

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    5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      5/ however, the normal and the norm don't always differ ; in a school zone 30mph might be both the norm and the normal speed @wx_underground was saying that I was using "normal" incorrectly for...reasons that are unclear to me. That's kinda normal tho.

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    6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

      6/ normative - adj 1: of, relating to, or determining norms or standards normative tests 2: conforming to or based on norms normative behavior normative judgments 3: prescribing (see PRESCRIBE sense 1) norms normative rules of ethics normative grammarhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419734303513071644 …

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      Dan Holley @wx_underground
      Replying to @wx_underground @MorlockP
      Normative absolutely does not define the norm, which is where I think the disconnect is. Picking your nose is absolutely the norm; 100% of us do it, multiple times, every day. But we're pretty cagy about how and when we do it because it's extremely non-normative.
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    7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

      7/ I am quoting the dictionary at you, and you are ignoring that and ... giving me your own definitions that contradict the dictionary. I don't know why you're doing this. I can go downstairs and quote the OED if you'd prefer?https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419734555041288217 …

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      Dan Holley @wx_underground
      Replying to @MorlockP
      The clarification is in my tweets. It's a tricky trio of terms, to be sure, but the examples I've provided underscore their differences.
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    8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

      8/ "If you're [ doing a thing that you're not doing ] you're incorrect" that may very well be truehttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419735071293001738 …

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      Dan Holley @wx_underground
      Replying to @MorlockP
      You're plainly incorrect if you're arguing that picking your nose is normative. You can easily test this on your own on your next conference call.
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    9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

      9/ Sure, language is always changing. That does not, however, mean that you were correct when you said that I was incorrect. You were wrong. I've presented evidence to support my usage, you have not presented evidence to support yours.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419735452366491650 …

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      Dan Holley @wx_underground
      Replying to @MorlockP
      5 Precepts of the English Language (1952): Language is always changing Change is normal The spoken language is the language Correctness rests upon usage All usage is relative The way that you're using the terms, in this specific, usage-relevant case, is wrong.
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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

      10/ Please point out where I was sloppy in my usage or lacking in nuance.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419736010515128320 …

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      Dan Holley @wx_underground
      Replying to @MorlockP
      A set of rules from 1952 didn't make you incorrect. Your sloppy usage and lack of nuance did.
      12:07 PM - 26 Jul 2021
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        2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          11/ Ahhhh, SOCIOLOGISTS use the words in a precise way in the context of practicing their science, and so therefore ALL human usage conforms to that specialized usage. As a software engineer, I'm gonna correct anyone who uses "two bits" to mean $0.25https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419736470659600389 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          But here ya go: https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2016/09/23/norms-normality-and-normativity/ … Loads of examples like this out there, because, as I noted (and as you're illustrating), these terms are quite confusing—even amongst people who denigrate others as "mid-wits" [sic].
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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          12/ That was not remotely my original suggestion.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419737166444302342 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Leaving aside your confusion of "norm" and "normal," your original suggestion that "normal" and "normative" are 1:1 interchangeable and the latter is just a stuffy word fancy folks have conjured up to sound smarter is—without any ambiguity or doubt—wrong.
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        4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          13/ Dude You stuck your nose into a fight that you had no need to be in, and you said that my usage was INCORRECT, and now you're desperately scrambling to use specialized terms from sociology and quoting vague "language is always changing" stuff You've beclowned yourself Stop

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        5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          14/ > PhD > MBA > PsychMA Whole lotta stuff just became clear. (Not your incorrect usage, but your absolute refusal to back down when you were in the wrong).

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        6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          15/ Did you not understand my point about how words have specialized meanings in certain domains, but different definitions outside of those domains? Apparently you did not No I do NOT defer to sociologists on the definition of a word they did not coinhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419738069859651585 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          You... can't possibly be serious (?). God forbid we defer to the sociologists when launching into a critique of a sociological WaPo article based on our misunderstanding of their lexicon.
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        7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          16/ My apologies ; I read the part of your bio that said "PhD", and didn't see that the next line said "candidate". I should have paid more attention the word to the left of the brain emoji you put in your bio.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419739152904458240 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Another hasty misreading and kneejerk reaction intended to denigrate someone? I'm not a PhD.
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        8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          17/pic.twitter.com/9MlE8Q9PYM

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        9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          18/ But you said "another hasty misreading", and I'm confused. What was the first "hasty misreading" I made?https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419739152904458240 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Another hasty misreading and kneejerk reaction intended to denigrate someone? I'm not a PhD.
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        10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          19/ but, getting back to this...https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419737166444302342 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Leaving aside your confusion of "norm" and "normal," your original suggestion that "normal" and "normative" are 1:1 interchangeable and the latter is just a stuffy word fancy folks have conjured up to sound smarter is—without any ambiguity or doubt—wrong.
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        11. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          20/ which you characterize as > your original suggestion that "normal" and "normative" are 1:1 interchangeable

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        12. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          21/ and cite thishttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419738872490074113 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          It would be interesting to know how this could be interpreted any other way: pic.twitter.com/JzgTiptZCP
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        13. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          22/ you failed to understand my point. I NEVER suggested that EDUCATED people consider the two words interchangeable. I suggested that the words have UTTERLY DISTINCT MEANINGS and UNEDUCATED people do not realize that.

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        14. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          23/ Now, getting back to your point that I should defer to sociologists - an academic discipline that dates back to around 1900 - on the definition of the term "normative": why would I do that when the word was used outside of that discipline BEFORE then?pic.twitter.com/zk9EKTR18o

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        15. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          24/ so, let's recap: * me, in the initial tweet: people use "normative" when they mean "normal", and that's LOL * you: lol, derp, those words mean different things, but you're so dumb you don't realize it * me: no, my POINT was that they mean different things

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        16. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          25/ * you: ok, but what you THINK "normative" means is wrong * me: Merriam-Webster dictionary agrees with me * you: lol, words change * me: yes, agreed * you: so that dictionary is wrong * me: the Oxford English Dictionary agrees with me * you: lol, maybe a long time ago

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        17. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          26/ I am actually a descriptivist when it comes to dictionaries and language. I argue with my friend @BostonDelendEst about this all the time. I AGREE that words mean how their users use them. You are simultaneously being a descriptivist and a prescriptivist and its hilarious

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        18. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          27/ You are arguing (a) that *** I *** can not refer to general purpose dictionaries that are recently published and which take their definitions from vernacular usage and (b) I must defer to THE SOCIOLOGISTS because they define the term.

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        19. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          28/ by "a sociological context" we're talking about "morning mix" department at The Washington Post, I guess. Which is where this thread started.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419743795759837185 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Simply put (for the umpteenth time), because you're complaining about how it's used IN A SOCIOLOGICAL CONTEXT. Honestly, is this so hard to grasp?
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        20. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          29/ oh !@#$#, I have been called "unlettered" that's gonna leave a mark how shall I recover? I don't have a CREDENTIALhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419742756071608325 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Brain emoji because I'm a neuroscientist, although I don't think that's your implication, here. Pretty narrow rope to walk: unlettered rants about sociological terms you've only just learned in one tweet, anti-intellectualist barbs in the next. Impressive!
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        21. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          30/ re "anti-intellectualist": I am very much in favor of intellectualism. ...that is why I am against credentialism, which tends to extinguish its natural enemy, intellectualism.

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        22. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          31/ For the second time, I will apologize for nodding off in your bio, somewhere between the brain emoji and "he/him". It was wrong of me, and I will strive to not repeat the error.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419743007541137408 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          "Sorry, I didn't read all of the THREE words because I was too distracted by the picture" inspires great confidence re. your earlier tweets.
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        23. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          32/ (a) I'm not outraged; I'm having fun (b) you never said the word "dumb", instead you used "hasty", "knee-jerk", "anti-intellectual", "unlettered", "sloppy", "lack of nuance", etc. I thought (and still think) it a fair act of condensing.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419744614647402521 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP
          As an antidote to your outrage, please link me to any tweet in which I called you dumb. I wouldn't do that. People much smarter than either of us misuse words regularly—it's a norm. ;) Perhaps you've dug in your heels because you saw feedback as an assault on your intelligence?
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        24. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Dan Holley

          33/ No, I'm literally not. I only want to use the CURRENT use of normal / norm / normative, but I was introducing the historical evidence for one particular point: to show that the word antedated the discipline of sociology.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419745951984488448 …

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          Dan Holley @wx_underground
          Replying to @MorlockP @BostonDelendEst
          You're arguing that the original meaning of norm(al, -ative) is *THE* meaning in your critique of a sociological article written in 2021 by a person from a different culture, about different cultures. That's militant prescriptivism, whether you realize it or not. pic.twitter.com/JGuThXJWy7
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        25. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Latentem

          34/ My favorite fights are against arrogant credentialed goofballs. brain-emoji Dan isn't even in the top 10 #2 is Alex Nowrasteh of Cato #1 was "Fag with PhD" (his username) back at my old http://tjic.com  blog. My GOSH that was a bloodbathhttps://twitter.com/Latentem/status/1419746186487992331 …

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          Latentem @Latentem
          Replying to @MorlockP @wx_underground
          Betcha didn't think this is what you'd be talking about when you woke up today
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        26. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted  🐘 Sirsfurther  🐘

          35/ yep. Someone @-ed me and mentioned Paul Fussel and "Class", and that's exactly right [ and a good book ]https://twitter.com/sirsfurther/status/1419760346999541766 …

          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs added,

           🐘 Sirsfurther  🐘 @sirsfurther
          Replying to @MorlockP
          Good eg of similar situation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_and_non-U_English … pic.twitter.com/8cEjEMD6Ry
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        27. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 26 Jul 2021

          36/pic.twitter.com/ABdQ5u4hgc

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        28. End of conversation

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