> “It’s a reminder that behaviors that seem so normative to us often do not occur in the rest of the world. around 5 years ago half the population decided that using "normative" when they meant "normal" would make them sound smarter narrator: it does not https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1419706294571786248 …
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7/ I am quoting the dictionary at you, and you are ignoring that and ... giving me your own definitions that contradict the dictionary. I don't know why you're doing this. I can go downstairs and quote the OED if you'd prefer?https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419734555041288217 …
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8/ "If you're [ doing a thing that you're not doing ] you're incorrect" that may very well be truehttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419735071293001738 …
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9/ Sure, language is always changing. That does not, however, mean that you were correct when you said that I was incorrect. You were wrong. I've presented evidence to support my usage, you have not presented evidence to support yours.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419735452366491650 …
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10/ Please point out where I was sloppy in my usage or lacking in nuance.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419736010515128320 …
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11/ Ahhhh, SOCIOLOGISTS use the words in a precise way in the context of practicing their science, and so therefore ALL human usage conforms to that specialized usage. As a software engineer, I'm gonna correct anyone who uses "two bits" to mean $0.25https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419736470659600389 …
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12/ That was not remotely my original suggestion.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419737166444302342 …
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13/ Dude You stuck your nose into a fight that you had no need to be in, and you said that my usage was INCORRECT, and now you're desperately scrambling to use specialized terms from sociology and quoting vague "language is always changing" stuff You've beclowned yourself Stop
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14/ > PhD > MBA > PsychMA Whole lotta stuff just became clear. (Not your incorrect usage, but your absolute refusal to back down when you were in the wrong).
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15/ Did you not understand my point about how words have specialized meanings in certain domains, but different definitions outside of those domains? Apparently you did not No I do NOT defer to sociologists on the definition of a word they did not coinhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419738069859651585 …
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16/ My apologies ; I read the part of your bio that said "PhD", and didn't see that the next line said "candidate". I should have paid more attention the word to the left of the brain emoji you put in your bio.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419739152904458240 …
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18/ But you said "another hasty misreading", and I'm confused. What was the first "hasty misreading" I made?https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419739152904458240 …
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19/ but, getting back to this...https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419737166444302342 …
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20/ which you characterize as > your original suggestion that "normal" and "normative" are 1:1 interchangeable
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22/ you failed to understand my point. I NEVER suggested that EDUCATED people consider the two words interchangeable. I suggested that the words have UTTERLY DISTINCT MEANINGS and UNEDUCATED people do not realize that.
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23/ Now, getting back to your point that I should defer to sociologists - an academic discipline that dates back to around 1900 - on the definition of the term "normative": why would I do that when the word was used outside of that discipline BEFORE then?pic.twitter.com/zk9EKTR18o
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24/ so, let's recap: * me, in the initial tweet: people use "normative" when they mean "normal", and that's LOL * you: lol, derp, those words mean different things, but you're so dumb you don't realize it * me: no, my POINT was that they mean different things
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25/ * you: ok, but what you THINK "normative" means is wrong * me: Merriam-Webster dictionary agrees with me * you: lol, words change * me: yes, agreed * you: so that dictionary is wrong * me: the Oxford English Dictionary agrees with me * you: lol, maybe a long time ago
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26/ I am actually a descriptivist when it comes to dictionaries and language. I argue with my friend
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27/ You are arguing (a) that *** I *** can not refer to general purpose dictionaries that are recently published and which take their definitions from vernacular usage and (b) I must defer to THE SOCIOLOGISTS because they define the term.
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28/ by "a sociological context" we're talking about "morning mix" department at The Washington Post, I guess. Which is where this thread started.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419743795759837185 …
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29/ oh !@#$#, I have been called "unlettered" that's gonna leave a mark how shall I recover? I don't have a CREDENTIALhttps://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419742756071608325 …
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30/ re "anti-intellectualist": I am very much in favor of intellectualism. ...that is why I am against credentialism, which tends to extinguish its natural enemy, intellectualism.
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31/ For the second time, I will apologize for nodding off in your bio, somewhere between the brain emoji and "he/him". It was wrong of me, and I will strive to not repeat the error.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419743007541137408 …
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32/ (a) I'm not outraged; I'm having fun (b) you never said the word "dumb", instead you used "hasty", "knee-jerk", "anti-intellectual", "unlettered", "sloppy", "lack of nuance", etc. I thought (and still think) it a fair act of condensing.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419744614647402521 …
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33/ No, I'm literally not. I only want to use the CURRENT use of normal / norm / normative, but I was introducing the historical evidence for one particular point: to show that the word antedated the discipline of sociology.https://twitter.com/wx_underground/status/1419745951984488448 …
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34/ My favorite fights are against arrogant credentialed goofballs. brain-emoji Dan isn't even in the top 10 #2 is Alex Nowrasteh of Cato #1 was "Fag with PhD" (his username) back at my old http://tjic.com blog. My GOSH that was a bloodbathhttps://twitter.com/Latentem/status/1419746186487992331 …
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35/ yep. Someone @-ed me and mentioned Paul Fussel and "Class", and that's exactly right [ and a good book ]https://twitter.com/sirsfurther/status/1419760346999541766 …
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