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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MorlockP @robinhanson

      to do this based on ancient norms of "I have to demonstrate that I can do SOMETHING"

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    2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MorlockP

      Are there poll questions you think might help test your theory?

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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robinhanson

      good question as a first stab at it, I could imagine: * cooking displays competence and agency, Y/N ? * mowing your lawn displays competence and agency, Y/N ? * cleaning toilets displays competence and agency, Y/N ? followed by >>>

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    4. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MorlockP @robinhanson

      2/ imagine that you are transferred to a new job with the same hours and pay as now, but with less agency. Your new job provides one free home service. then ask which service they take paired with question reversed: transferred to job w less agency

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    5. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MorlockP

      What is "agency"? It is the same as autonomy, independence, or power?

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    6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robinhanson

      I think the first two options you present are very similar, and, yes, that's what I'm getting at. Power is certainly related, but indirectly I think, bc most high autonomy / independent jobs are either upstream or downstream of power (not all, tho, e.g. cab driver).

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    7. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MorlockP

      I find it very hard to apply such concepts to the aggregate of a life. In a society like ours, we can't all do everything, and must let others do most things, so how can some such variations be called "more agency"?

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    8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robinhanson

      I am arguing that TASKS have high or low autonomy and independence. Surely you agree that your life as an econ professor allows you more of both of those than someone working in a call center, off of a script? I am then arguing that people balance high and low agency tasks.

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    9. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MorlockP

      Not clear that distinction makes sense. All tasks are tiny fraction of set of all tasks that must be done. We can always define them finely enough that you have complete autonomy over YOUR task, even if you must coordinate it closely with others doing other related tasks.

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    10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robinhanson

      you asked earlier "what poll questions would tease out how people think about this?" and I answered. You are now jumping to the realm of pure theory ...and I actually disagree. Re: > We can always define them finely enough that you have complete autonomy over YOUR task

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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MorlockP @robinhanson

      I strongly disagree. Does a McDonalds employee who must clean toilets every 45 min have a way of defining tasks that he can convince himself that he has high autonomy? "I can wash the outside of the toilet either before OR after the inside!" Does a call center worker w script?

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        2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 8 Jul 2021
          Replying to @MorlockP

          That exactly what I'm asking for, a way to tell that a toilet cleaner has less autonomy or agency. His or her task is clearly lower status, but how is it less autonomous?

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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 8 Jul 2021
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          let's see what people have to sayhttps://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1413246610130210825 …

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          ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs @MorlockP
          Thesis: various tasks and jobs have more or less agency (i.e. autonomy). OTOH, you can take even a low autonomy task and do it YOUR way. Which has more agency/autonomy?
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