GP The hill to die on isn't excluding illegal aliens from the census count altogether. The hill to die on excluding illegal aliens from apportionment.
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GP Well, yeah. I was foolishly attempting to limit my argument to the census, but you're clearly right. Did you catch my proposed quick draft of an immigration amendment yesterday?https://www.gormogons.com/index.php/2021/04/puters-practically-perfect-in-every-way-immigration-amendment/ …
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I largely agree, but have concerns on 1) retroactive length and 2) actions by the government against minor children who do not control where they go. As an issue of government power, I am really hesitant to put adults and minor children in the same bucket.
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Replying to @AnKerani @Gormogons
gov takes actions against children all the time a child born in Kenya stays in Kenya a child that is supposed to be in Kenya should not get special rights bc his mom illegally brought him to the US and, finally, !@# the kids this demographic tidal wave is destroying America >
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we are in lifeboat ethics at this point America is PROBABLY going to die, no matter what we do, but if we have to deport 1-2 million children who come from cultures that are incompatible with western norms of liberty etc, to have a chance of surviving, then so be it
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I have heard this argument before. "We should use the enemy's immoral tactics because if we don't we will lose." But if we lose our soul in the process, we are dead *and* damned. Maybe a government by, for, of the people is destined to perish from the face of the earth.
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(And yes, I know, Lincoln and all he did.) I do not dispute the gravity of the situation and I agree that better action earlier would prevent much of the present trauma. Still, I have huge issues with treating minor children under the control of parents as adults under this law.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't care. I want to save my civilization.
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