2/ A blacksmith can sell a shovel to a farmer without either of them setting foot on the other's land. A man in Georgia can sell a computer to a man in Maine without either of them leaving their home state. An American can sell a movie to a Chinese without any travel.
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Replying to @MorlockP @wraithburn
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3/ Except for a very very very minor amount of "the ship ties up briefly to load cargo", free trade has absolutely nothing to do with free movement of people. Free movement of people is not a precondition. Thus I entirely disagree withhttps://twitter.com/wraithburn/status/1356621905516765188 …
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Replying to @MorlockP
So selling my services as a ditch digger is not considered trade?
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Replying to @wraithburn
You said that free movement of people is REQUIRED to have free trade. The vast majority of trade does not require free movement of people. If we repealed the H-1 B regulation, we'd have 99.9% as much trade afterwards as we have now.
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Replying to @MorlockP @wraithburn
Perhaps your argument is "but if we only have 99.9% of trade, then we do not have TRULY FREE TRADE", and that's really pedantic and boring. It's like saying "until people can own hydrogen bombs then they have NO right to keep and bear arms". Oh? The other 99.9% isn't 99.9% ?
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Replying to @MorlockP @wraithburn
The entire argument is based around the non-central fallacy. You WANT to discredit free trade, and so you set up an argument where X, which we all dislike in the absolute crazy limit is REQUIRED to get free trade, and since we all dislike X, then free trade is also bad.
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Replying to @MorlockP
The logical argument sets up a break between the two _only_ if Free Trade has no limits. So if I understand you correctly, you are not disputing the logic chain, you are disputing the axioms.
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Replying to @wraithburn @MorlockP
Since you have acknowledged a limit to Free Trade, the only quibble you and I have is _which_ limits, not _if_ there are limits. It's about having a coherent viewpoint from the Economic Theory perspective.
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Replying to @wraithburn
I have not acknowledged a "limit" to free trade. I don't even understand what that sentence formulation means. "Free trade" is a description. A pattern of facts can be representative of more or less free trade.
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Replying to @MorlockP
Ok then, lets go back to my question. If I sell my services as a ditch digger, is that a trade?
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it's a very very non central example of free trade 99.9% of free trade does not involve in person services
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Replying to @MorlockP
So we agree that Labor is trade then. Whether for an in person exchange such as ditch digging, factory assembly, or hair cuts, or remotely such as accounting or software development over the internet.
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Replying to @wraithburn @MorlockP
Now, I am not disputing whether or not we _have_ Free Trade, which you keep bringing up. That is irrelevant. I am trying to make sure our definition of the term, Free Trade, is the same.
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