If urban margins were the result of fraud, wouldn't you expect also to see downballot Democrats doing well? In other words, faking a ballot & getting it accepted is hard work; faking >1 votes on an already-faked ballot is trivial; so why fake only for the Presidential race?
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Replying to @rebelcinder @DouthatNYT
bc it is actually additional work, and the down ballots were far less important in terms of power but let me back WAYYY the heck up I have argued for DECADES that our voting system is garbage, and the mail in voting this time around was extra garbage get a fraud resistant >
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system in place, and I will happily eat ever L at the ballot box I'm a big fan of Kegan level 4 - follow the rules, and then take your lumps when you've got a crappy candidate, or a good candidate who ran a crappy camaign
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I'm not even a fan of democracy! I'm an anarchist! ...but I am open minded to the idea of democracy as a way to avoid extralegal violence (a component in the soverign "monopoly of violence") So those who actually LIKE democracy should be in favor of a well implemented election
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Replying to @MorlockP @DouthatNYT
Regarding our voting system, much of what you may see as a bug, I see as a feature, so I LOVED the mail-in ballots (higher turnout! greater convenience! lower COVID risk! good, low-fraud track record in states previously using them!)
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Replying to @rebelcinder @DouthatNYT
> low-fraud track record how do you have ANY idea if that's true ?
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Replying to @MorlockP @DouthatNYT
If it had a track record of high fraud, you'd be able to point me to sharply higher fraud in, say, Oregon (universal mail-in balloting) than Indiana (excuse required). Do you have such evidence?
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Replying to @rebelcinder @DouthatNYT
given that we effectively never measure fraud, but just chant "fraud is not a problem at all, showing ID is bad and racist", how would you expect anyone to have data? Imagine making it illegal to report rape, and then insisting that no rapes occur.
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Especially when policies are put in place with the obvious intent of making it more difficult to spot fraud.
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I think we're talking on different wavelengths here. Let's agree that the system is potentially exploitable in a variety of ways. But no court is likely to accept mere hypotheses that fraud was possible, to overturn millions of lawfully registered ballots; and nor should they.
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I entirely agree with you, Alex, that the cases that have been brought have been garbage tier, and I do not expect the courts to do anything in response to them That said, a competent society would not wait for courts, but would try to make elections secure.
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