it really annoys me that determinism means the concept of free will couldn't *not* exist, even if it's completely incoherent
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I say "if it's completely incoherent" versus "even though it's completely incoherent" because the concept of free will doesn't make any sense to me in the first place
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Replying to @sonyasupposedly
How do you have Christianity if you don't have free will? God cares about the robots as they slide along their fixed tracks?
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I don't know, honestly! but I still don't get free will. I don't get what it even means for a will to be free
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like if the universe is as deterministic as it seems to be, where's the free part? I think *choice* exists, decisions do, certainly. but what does it mean for them to be free — unconstrained? but then how would you choose? very puzzling
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Also...the universe hasn't seemed deterministic for 90 years!
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Replying to @sonyasupposedly @MorlockP
I suspect he's referring to the probabilities inherent in the typical formulation of quantum mechanics, which while interesting from an ontological standpoint don't IMO relate to free will That being said our direct evidence of free will is strong evidence physics is incomplete.
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(not as strong as our direct evidence of consciousness itself, which I regard as as close to incontrovertible proof that physics is incomplete as you can get)
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