2/ 2) just because there is a mechanism that allows team A to disregard information that argues against team A's goals, because it comes from team B, does not mean that that is epistemic closure.
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3/ If, in WWII, the Nazis said "actually, we're not running death camps", is it not reasonable to respond "well, that's exactly what people running death camps would say" ? So, in the argument for Trumpist epistemic closure,
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4/ So we have to regress one level. If the only reason to posit a deep state is that it lets me disregard complaints about Trump, yes, that's insanely dubious. ...but what if I believed in the deep state, FOR GOOD REASON, before Trump ran for POTUS?
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5/ As with the WWII example, if we thought that Hitler was a genocidal madman and his government was full of fanatics and liars in 1939, then when the claim goes out in 1943 that there are no death camps, appealing to "but he's a liar" is good epistemics, not circular.
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6/ So re the Deep State, I ground my belief in it in things like James Clapper of the NSA lying under oath in 2013, or the IRS targeting conservative charities c. 2011-2012 I have AMPLE evidence that the Deep State exists, and had it before Trump ran for POTUS.
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7/ Additionally, I am not a fan of Trump. He's a liar, indecisive, arrogant, narcissistic, incompetent, vane, lacks any overarching strategy. He's a disaster. ...but these are not the charges that are made by the Deep State and others. They argue that he's
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8/ bad for US security (see the thread QT-ed in #1 above). And on that note, I can look at the evidence for myself, and disagree with the conclusions. TLDR: epistemic closure is real, but not everything that looks like epistemic closure actually is.
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You can think of Malthusianism as a means of epistemic closure against evidence that a crowded area is mismanaged. When any problems can be blamed on density that absolves the ideologues in charge.
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"Only a racist/Nazi would object to being called a racist/Nazi" has always struck me as an argument with substantial problems.
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