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whose boots do you allege that I lick, @redrichie ?https://twitter.com/redrichie/status/1290727160001507328 …
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54/ "you spelled a word with two 'n's when it actually has one, therefore you're ignorant of the history of science fiction" that's a solid argument https://twitter.com/iridienne/status/1290739567021105152 …
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55/ award winning authors Ken Macleod and John Barnes think I write decently, and the Prometheus Awards committee voted my novels as best of the year (twice) but maybe those folks don't know much about science fiction either,
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57/ > Heinlein's craft doesn't stand up that's a bold take
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58/ Anyone who thinks that Heinlein's craft doesn't stand up should read Farah Mendlesohn 's masterful The Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein (2019) and educate themselves. https://www.amazon.com/Pleasant-Profession-Robert-Heinlein/dp/1783526785 …
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59/ Perhaps he was thinking that talent is talent, and politics is politics, and you don't have to agree with someone on the ideal tax rate to acknowledge their ability to write? I dunno, feel free to ask him. https://twitter.com/iridienne/status/1290749240507920384 …
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60/ First, the litmus test of reading "from the last decade" is a very bad one. Even if we assume that good SF is evenly distributed over time (it's not), why read a random selection of recent stuff instead of the top 1% of previous decades? >>> https://twitter.com/iridienne/status/1290749897147215872 …
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61/ But to answer the question, in the last year or so I've read and loved SFF like
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62/ "let me get this straight" ...and proceeds to get it wrong No, I didn't say I don't read recent SF. I do. I pointed out an unexamined and false premise you had. https://twitter.com/iridienne/status/1290750884607954944 …
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63/ "MOVED ON" it's all caps so it must be true yes, there is no other reason to read Heinlein other than historical interest -he certainly doesn't have a fun style, good plots, strong female characters, good moral lessons, or anything else good point https://twitter.com/iridienne/status/1290751878867771392 …
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64/ please read more carefully ; I didn't say that none of it is good; I said that greatness was not evenly distributed > there are great science fiction writers right now not that many!https://twitter.com/sharagodwinson/status/1290751817161138176 …
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65/ I'm sorry that Heinlein wrote about women who were very competent at math, engineering, and other skills, while still being sexual beings. I hope that him suggesting that some women are like this hasn't hurt your feelings too much. https://twitter.com/iridienne/status/1290753266851012612 …
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66/ I strongly agree with this! ...and this is why I was saying that it's better to read a curated selection of classics than to concentrate on reading things merely because they're "recent". Reading award winners of all yrs > reading random 2020 bookshttps://twitter.com/doctorflopsy/status/1290753611794808834 …
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67/ That's not remotely what I said. I made an observation about distribution, not a causal argument. Please pay attention and engage constructively ; strawmen are boring.https://twitter.com/sharagodwinson/status/1290755300396417024 …
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68/ Still chuckling that I made an SJW mad by agreeing with Heinlein that some women are smart / good at things and enjoy sex.
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69/ Agreed; am in the middle of her most recent novel.https://twitter.com/tr0g/status/1290757006597459973 …
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70/ I'm not making that claim, necessarily, but it's certainly not IMPOSSIBLE to make that claim.https://twitter.com/doctorflopsy/status/1290756614035771392 …
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71/ why, exactly, Sir Kevin the White Knight, should I re-read that? Are you upset that I had the temerity to civilly disagree with a female interlocutor, and use a book written by a female author as my cite?https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1290768713520750603 …
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72/ we've got a bluecheck tagging in I guess I'm a reactionary for saying that SF authors wrote, on average BETTER sf about gender issues, race, trans, etc. in the 1970s (when editors selected on merit) than in the 2020s (when they don't)https://twitter.com/nberlat/status/1290770912975912960 …
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73/ > modern sci-fi is far better not just better, but FAR better LOL as if hey, have you read Hugo award winning novel "Redshirts" ? https://twitter.com/McfuckyouSweety/status/1290771837174140930 …
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74/ I didn't say "no", I said "all but". Which, if you're familiar with the English language, you know means "nearly". Jeff Vandermeer is a great author. John Scalzi ... also, yes, writes.https://twitter.com/nberlat/status/1290772169899888643 …
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75/ you still haven't answered the question, Sir Kevin. Why, out of nowhere, did you jump in and tell me that I need to read about people who don't respect women's rights? Something I tweeted, one presumes? Please like to what I said.https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1290772492366295041 …
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76/ Well argued, I appreciate the examples and footnotes.https://twitter.com/WenSchw/status/1290772823355428864 …
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77/ perhaps the worst mistake of the progressives in the 1970s was deinstitutionalization --->https://twitter.com/nico_nicole97/status/1290772918104985600 …
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78/ Already answered up-thread in tweet #61 Thanks for tagging in at the top of the thread and asking questions that were already answered hours ago ; marks you as a serious interlocutorhttps://twitter.com/WenSchw/status/1290773138070896640 …
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79/ And I, in turn, find Vandermeer's politics and hubris despicable as well. But (a) I don't care about his opinion of my politics; (b) I do care that he's good at the craft, which is why I read him.https://twitter.com/nberlat/status/1290773330119860224 …
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80/ LOL, seriously,
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81/ Most of the authors I read and like the most (Mieveille, Macleod, Barnes, Banks, etc) are left of center.
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82/ I see you put the words "real sf fans don't care about politics" in quotation marks. Odd, as I didn't say those words. What I said was that I don't care what Jeff V thinks of my politics.https://twitter.com/nberlat/status/1290774255374938113 …
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83/ Please work on your reading comprehension. I never said that I don't read anything recent, and in fact listed a half dozen books published in the last year or so that I've read.https://twitter.com/WenSchw/status/1290774513307668481 …
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