5/ OP conjures up a strawman - "there are SFF gatekeepers". There are? The gates have fallen. Tor and the other publishers run the field now, and they've all but banned cis white hetero men, to make room on the shelves for PoC / female / immigrant / translated Chinese SF.
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16/ Since OP never cites any specific quote in his thread (always a good technique when you're witch hunting - "the witches are out there, trust me - don't listen to their side of the story!") we can't be sure exactly what he's REALLY complaining about. ...but I have a hunch.
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17/ and it's what I was alluding to earlier: people (like me) who complain that the current SF market is narrow, full of bad writers, and ignorant of the history of the genre. Wow, feminist SF! ...but we've had that for 50 years. SF that grapples w trans issues! Had that too
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18/ SF that considers things from the perspectives of racial minorities! Yep, had that. SF that considers overbearing capitalism. Yep, yep, yep.
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19/ Ignorance of the history of the art form doesn't enable the "new voices" to throw off the old constraints - it just makes them boring, monomaniacal, and redundant. We explored this stuff for the first time 60+ years ago. It's time to JOIN that conversation, not restart it
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20/ I suppose me telling youngsters, women, BIPOC and all the rest "read your God-damned history and learn what the field is all about" is man splaining? Well, if you want something 'splained, get a man who's conversant w the topic to do it. You're welcome.
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21/ Same nonsense going on in this thread (h/t
@drethelin ) https://twitter.com/aliettedb/status/1289656583220129792 … Science fiction publishing and fandom was welcoming to women, hispanics, blacks, Asians, gays, drug users, and all sorts of other outsiders HALF A CENTURY AGO. This is invented nonsense.Show this thread -
22/ OP, and her entire generation, are invested in this narrative that they've FINALLY overthrown the exclusionary old boys network that tried so hard to keep them out. ...but it's lies and nonsense. It never happened They cherry pick a few facts, like many authors were white
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23/ ...because OF COURSE THEY WERE, in a country that was mostly white. And most authors were male, because OF COURSE THEY WERE, in a genre descended from two-fisted-pulps and popular science magazines. And they take these facts and then assume "obviously there was exclusion".
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24/ Notice the jujitsu here: if you respect old authors for writing great stuff (Lovecraft) or old editors for building enthusiasm (Campbell) then you are RACIST and are driving people away. Your appreciation of the greats is an ACT OF VIOLENCE.https://twitter.com/aliettedb/status/1289655684263444482 …
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25/ More of the jujitsu here: she's turned this into an either / or, fallacy of the excluded middle. She declares, with zero evidence, that appreciating the dead means that you hate the living / current wave of SF authors and fans.https://twitter.com/aliettedb/status/1289656583220129792 …
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26/ In fact, these are orthogonal. You can like or dislike the past masters, and you can like or dislike the current generation. (In fact, I like the past masters and dislike the current authors, but the connection is not causal; it's two distinct opinions)
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27/ What part of it is false? My assertion that the current gatekeepers of SF are the major publishers of SF, and that they're left of center? Why do you think that that's false? https://twitter.com/shaunduke/status/1290410267394871296 …
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28/ I didn't IGNORE it. I QUOTED it. And then I asked you for clarification, with my two hunches as to what you were talking about. That question still stands. I am honestly curious what part of my tweet (#5, above, in this thread) you think is false https://twitter.com/shaunduke/status/1290411299625676800 …
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29/ Shecky likewise finds tweet #5 in this sequence false, or funny, or something.
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30/ Also, kind of curious what
@shaunduke means by "that level of dishonesty". I quoted his tweet, which quoted mine. All the material is here, for anyone who wants to read it. Anyway, invite still open@shaunduke - what part of #5 do you disagree w? https://twitter.com/shaunduke/status/1290411299625676800 …This Tweet is unavailable.Show this thread -
31/ I agree it's not rocket science. So ... what part of tweet #5 in this sequence do you think is false? That Tor, etc are left of center? Or something else? There were multiple claims in my tweet. https://twitter.com/shaunduke/status/1290412416141066245 …
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32/ so many dumb socialists in my mentions today sad ; I enjoy arguing with a better tier of leftisthttps://twitter.com/bojack90s/status/1290413295732699138 …
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33/ https://twitter.com/jacobkesinger/status/1290681317810634753 … not sure why you'd search there let's go to http://Tor.com new releases >>>
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34/ https://publishing.tor.com/new-releases/ C. L. Polk - black, female Nino Cipri - trans / nonbinary Nino Cipri (again) - trans / nonbinary K.M. Szpara - queer / trans Eddie Robson - white male (!!!), British Nghi Vo - Vietnamese, female Alex Irvine - white male (!!!)
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35/ Tamsyn Muir - female, New Zealand Corey J. White - white male (!!!) Australian Martha Wells - female Katharine Duckett - female, queer Jeffrey Ford - white male (!!!) Carrie Vaughn - female Zen Cho - female, Chinese (?) Andrea Hairston - black, female
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36/ Kathleen Jennings - female, Australian Tamsyn Muir (again) - female, New Zealand Carrie Vaughn (again) - female
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37/ so in a literary genre that is overwhelmingly white, male, and American, we have 1 white American male ... out of 18 authors trans, who make up 0.01% of the population, make up 1/6 of the authors listed women, who write 25% of the SF overall, are 11/18 Tor authors
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38/ gays, who make up 1% of the population, are 1/9 of the Tor authors listed
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39/ It's absolutely clear to anyone remotely familiar with the science fiction genre that Tor is blatantly filtering out submissions from white American men and publishing stuff based on SJW criteria
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40/ I don't know what the word "label" means in this context, but when I linked to PUBLISHING DOT TOR DOT COM I was pointing you to new books published by Tor publishing https://twitter.com/jacobkesinger/status/1290690362810523655 …
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41/ "Let those flatter who fear, it is not an American art" - Thomas Jefferson https://twitter.com/bc_nbc/status/1290690691362824192 …
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