5/ it's not worth discussing "if the guys who set out for the free frontier were weirdos and antisocial" when the point is THERE WAS NO FREE FRONTIER. I mean, except for, like, maybe 150 years or so.https://twitter.com/tigerboy74u/status/1220727352294023171 …
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6/ I recommend the books "Against the Grain" and "The Art of Not Being Governed" by James C Scott. He argues kind of against my position, saying that there WAS escape from centralism ... but it wasn't a free frontier!
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7/ yes, I agree more generally, most peoples' broad sweeping statements about human nature and "for all of the history of mankind" are based off of bad movies and half remembered AD&D campaigns.https://twitter.com/tigerboy74u/status/1220728250244063232 …
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8/ I think American Exceptionalism is about our character BECAUSE of the land mass we lucked into (and also bc England was on the periphery of continental Europe and an island - our ancestors got stomped on less frequently than some. C.f. Russians.)https://twitter.com/DogmanRespecter/status/1220728352266506243 …
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9/ need to clarify: even for "150 years or so" (i.e. the American expansion) the western frontier was freaking DANGEROUS. The most common novel of that era had the plot "red savages kill and torture entire family, take young women as sex slaves". >>>https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1220727747682734081 …
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ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs @MorlockP5/ it's not worth discussing "if the guys who set out for the free frontier were weirdos and antisocial" when the point is THERE WAS NO FREE FRONTIER. I mean, except for, like, maybe 150 years or so. https://twitter.com/tigerboy74u/status/1220727352294023171 …Show this thread4 replies 0 retweets 12 likesShow this thread -
10/ ...and this was not sensationalistic nonsense! It was based on newspaper articles, etc. "the American west" and "the era of homesteading" was like 20-30 years after the Indian Wars ended, and their power collapsed. It was ALMOST A PERFECT ANALOGY to the 1950s.
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11/ Humans basically can't survive on their own, in the wilderness, without a tribe. There is a reason that the worst punishment in hunter gatherer bands is exile, and second worst is ostracism.https://twitter.com/SchraderValves/status/1220732520662274048 …
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Quasispecies Mutant Swarm 🏴 ☮️ @SchraderValvesReplying to @MorlockPThe vast majority of human history occurred before recorded history, certainly more than 5000 years ago. In those days due to low population density how would it not be possible to just leave the tribe and go off somewhere and start over, with some others, couldn't go it alone.4 replies 1 retweet 9 likesShow this thread -
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12/ This is an interesting assertion, but I don't buy it. A single man, wandering in the wilderness, is defenseless against other hunter gatherer tribes. We know that the homicide rate among hunter gatherers is very high. Single men don't wander >>>https://twitter.com/LucioMM1/status/1220734569990774785 …
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Lucio Martelli @LucioMM1Replying to @MorlockPyes it is ahistorical since after agriculture fully developed. But it is historical from the beginning of homo sapiens to circa 3000-5000 AD. So we evolved in an environment where it was normal for "rebels" to simply leave and explore further. That's probably how we went /2 replies 0 retweets 6 likesShow this thread -
13/ ...any more than single chimpanzees do. Exile is a death sentence. Our brains excel in communication and social skills SO THAT we can band together in tribes in an intensely dangerous environment.
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15/ OK, but now we're no longer talking about "a man lighting out for the frontier", but are talking about "a tribe fractures in two". which, ok, sure, that happened ...but has nothing to do with the thesis of this thread.https://twitter.com/LucioMM1/status/1220735224495190016 …
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? the ships for the americas weren't full of single unconnected individuals. They were specific local groups of people who banded to move for example.
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