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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @ScottAllen

      You're still arguing about a thesis other than the one that you proposed. I'm not going to let you wiggle out of this. Do you retract your original statement that "within 300 years it didn't resemble original Christianity", or do you stand by it?

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    2. Scott Allen‏ @ScottAllen 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      In 312, Constantine painted crosses on his soldiers' shields and put Christianity into power. That's "within 300 years" of the start of Jesus' ministry. Council of Nicea was also "within 300 years". So I stand by it. Would it have been stronger/better if I had said 400? Yes.

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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @ScottAllen

      so because the state painted crosses on shields in 313, the CHRISTIAN RELIGION "looked nothing like that". Priests were no longer ascetics, the doctrine of "turn the other cheek" was renounced, charity was no longer spoken of as a virtue, religious official urged holy wars?

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    4. Scott Allen‏ @ScottAllen 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      You know, I'm not saying everybody, or even necessarily the majority. I'm referring to those in power, those most visible. Of course there has been a monastic/esoteric/charitable tradition in Christianity throughout history.

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    5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @ScottAllen

      you've changed your thesis. Your started with "the dominant version of Christianity", and now you're talking about how the State reconciled its own aims with pro-forma Christianity. Anything a state says supports statism. A communist state is not a 10 person commune.

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    6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP @ScottAllen

      Your original thesis: * within 300 years * dominant version of Christianity was opposite original Christianity Your actual argument: * after 300 years * state propaganda claimed that the state was Christian which (a) I agree with, (b) is entirely disjoint with your 1st claim

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    7. Scott Allen‏ @ScottAllen 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      Well, we'd have to agree on the meaning of dominant. Google says it's "most important, powerful, or influential". And those three adjectives are not always the same, and subjective at that. I was thinking "powerful", but even that could be argued.

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    8. Scott Allen‏ @ScottAllen 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @ScottAllen @MorlockP

      I'll cede that it's a very fuzzy boundary, and my initial thesis was right smack in the middle of that very fuzzy boundary. It's a much stronger claim to say: a) Starting at around 300 years later b) The most powerful (militarily/politically/statist) version of it

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    9. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @ScottAllen

      ok, I can mostly agree with that

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    10. Scott Allen‏ @ScottAllen 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      Cool. I appreciate the push to specificity, but I also don't really want to debate semantics and fuzzy boundaries when we're agreed in general principle. 😎

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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 17 Dec 2019
      Replying to @ScottAllen

      there's a fine line between "this guy is being an a-hole for quibbling about mere details" (bad) and "well, actually, unless we nail down what the thesis is, it's not QUIBBLING at all". anyway, productive good discussion. Cheers all around. Yay for both of us! :)

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        1. Scott Allen‏ @ScottAllen 17 Dec 2019
          Replying to @MorlockP

          Now, if Congress could just have an equally productive conversation about the meanings of "quid pro quo", "abuse of power", "corrupt", and "obstruction". 🤣

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