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4/ Sure! I've read SF by Brits, Germans, Aussies, Russians, Chinese. But just bc something is global doesn't mean that it's EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED. I'm not arguing "ONLY American men write SF". I'm arguing "They write a disproportionate amount of it".https://twitter.com/bearded_archer/status/1202050057249415168?s=19 …
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Bearded Archer 🐍 🔻 ✊ @bearded_archerReplying to @MorlockPWhat about Harry Potter, JK Rowling is American? How about science fiction in Spanish? Spain, Perú, México, Colombia have some pretty good science fiction writers. Poland has good science fiction writers. That being said, the English Language market for SF is larger.6 replies 0 retweets 16 likesShow this thread -
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5/ The guy who says that American men write only 2% of SF (bc Bayesianism) is claiming I'm making stuff up?
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Jonathan Ward @cosmicdogReplying to @MorlockPYou’re making stuff up and calling it data. You’re wrong. It’s true that a great many SF authors and books come from American men, it’s not all or nearly all or even half. I’m sorry that it offends you that the other at least 65% of the SF world is getting recognized.3 replies 0 retweets 11 likesShow this thread -
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6/ Also, Harry Potter isn't SF. ...unless you're talking about HPMOR...in which case you have to drop both the "non American" and "non female" claims... Which...yes, speaks to my point.https://twitter.com/bearded_archer/status/1202050057249415168?s=19 …
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Bearded Archer 🐍 🔻 ✊ @bearded_archerReplying to @MorlockPWhat about Harry Potter, JK Rowling is American? How about science fiction in Spanish? Spain, Perú, México, Colombia have some pretty good science fiction writers. Poland has good science fiction writers. That being said, the English Language market for SF is larger.2 replies 0 retweets 16 likesShow this thread -
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7/ Also, you're doing that dishonest thing where you assume my motivations (incorrectly) so that you can signal your virtue in comparison. I have ZERO problem with women, or with non Americans winning the Hugo. But, since you like statistics >>>https://twitter.com/cosmicdog/status/1202050261729959936?s=19 …
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Jonathan Ward @cosmicdogReplying to @MorlockPYou’re making stuff up and calling it data. You’re wrong. It’s true that a great many SF authors and books come from American men, it’s not all or nearly all or even half. I’m sorry that it offends you that the other at least 65% of the SF world is getting recognized.2 replies 0 retweets 11 likesShow this thread -
8/ If - using your numbers - 55% of SF authors are American, and 37% are female, and about 18% are American and female, how likely is it - given fair judging - that 8 of the last 10 Hugos went to American females? < 1 in 10,000, I think. I mean..if the judging is fair.
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9/ You are right, I made an error.https://twitter.com/cosmicdog/status/1202055343636791296?s=19 …
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10/ One American man won the Hugo in the last 10 years. But in my defense, look at this picture. You can understand how I assumed he was Canadian.pic.twitter.com/rjcOXOEfDf
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11/ I said 90%? I don't recall doing so. Also, defining SF so as not to include Harry Potter isn't narrow - it's just what words mean. What was your piece of science of technology in HP?https://twitter.com/cosmicdog/status/1202056601655365634?s=19 …
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This is probably what he's referring to. He doesn't seem to grasp that implies the long string of men winning would reflect the demographics of the genre while the past decade does not.https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1201901221151416320?s=19 …
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ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs @MorlockP5/ Given that men wrote 90-95% of all science fiction for several decades, no, it's not surprising that we had runs of several men in a row winning. But since women write ~ 40% of SF/F today, a 10 year winning streak is insanely unlikely. https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1201900647227871234 …Show this thread1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
Yep, makes sense. As you understand, I'm arguing that 1950s are distinct from, say, 1990s
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It doesn't seem that should be a point of contention but I guess for some it is.
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