And norms should be defended! You were defending yours. That's laudable! I was defending mine (also laudable!). Hopefully we can find common ground ("... maybe we don't know the whole story") rather than do battle.
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Replying to @random_eddie
I don't want to do battle about the norm of dB at Chilis. I want to find common ground on totalizing vs non totalizing meta-norms.
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Replying to @MorlockP
I don't see what I've defended or proposed as totalizing. Do you? Why and how?
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Replying to @random_eddie
I've explained this six or so times now. You've come up with a process ("if a minority wants X in location Ythey should do it, because it is a reflection of human joy"). That process, applied reasonably, applies EVERYWHERE.
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Replying to @MorlockP @random_eddie
So, I ask again: is there any limit to this process? If I leave McD and go to Chilis , then leave there and go to Longhorn, then leave there and go to sushi - what prevents your process from turning every one of those into your set of norms?
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Replying to @MorlockP @random_eddie
perhaps try it another way imagine there are no laws against smoking, and restaurant owners don't like to get involved in disputes between customers someone lights up in Chilis "well, just leave, Eddie" you get sushi 1 person lights up "well, just leave, Eddie" etc
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Replying to @MorlockP @random_eddie
your response might be DESCRIPTIVE, e.g. "well, without a law, that's how it is" and that might be true but it's UNINTERESTING the only conversation I find interesting here is "how can norms X and Y both exist, so that 3% of the population doesn't ruin things for everyone"
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Replying to @MorlockP
[furrows brow] [tries to find the miscommunication] ... you go to a restaurant that doesn't put up with unruly children. I go to a restaurant that doesn't allow smoking. Obnoxious person X follows you/me there, and isn't allowed to be obnoxious. The norms don't change.
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Replying to @random_eddie
I'm out, at least for today please don't tag me in any more, at least tonight thx
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Replying to @MorlockP
Let me know if you need some pie. We've got plenty.
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