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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP @random_eddie

      an appreciation of the fact that norms differ and this is a tricky problem, as opposed to "anyone who doesn't like the sound of jetskis and screaming grandmothers obviously hates joy and SHOULD BE DRIVEN OUT OF EVERY PUBLIC PLACE" would be good

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    2. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      I appreciate the fact that norms differ. (Was that not clear?) I also appreciate that this is a tricky problem.

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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @random_eddie

      it was not clear the only think I heard was: * if you want the norms that prevail 95% of the time, spend 3x as much money and don't go to 90% of the restaurants * the reason norms differ is some assholes hate children

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    4. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      Sorry for leaving that impression. Yes, it's tricky. You've had many threads about the issue in the past, grappling towards some resolution. I have a thought here, but it's not a very happy one.

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    5. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP

      (Set aside for the moment whether the OP's case actually represents differing norms between you and I - I think there's too much ambiguity to know) +

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    6. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP

      Say that there really was a difference between yours and mine, and that it was a Big Deal. Perhaps it's about loud pipes, perhaps it's about kids on planes where there's less room for compromise. +

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    7. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP

      I think in some circumstances, the only option is separation, and if that's not feasible, then war.

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    8. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @random_eddie

      separation is good but what I keep pressing for is what method you propose to limit your norm of "if the noise shows up, then the noise averse should leave" ? if I leave McD and go to Chilis, and the grandmother follows me, then I go to Longhorn, and GM follows, then sushi...

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    9. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      >what method you propose to limit your norm Norms evolve, and they pool, and they pool separately. Some of those places will accommodate granny, some you. And in all of them it's not necessarily obvious - or even settled! - what the prevailing norms are.

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    10. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP

      And norms should be defended! You were defending yours. That's laudable! I was defending mine (also laudable!). Hopefully we can find common ground ("... maybe we don't know the whole story") rather than do battle.

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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @random_eddie

      I don't want to do battle about the norm of dB at Chilis. I want to find common ground on totalizing vs non totalizing meta-norms.

      2:33 PM - 29 Nov 2019
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        1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Nov 2019
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          I want to find a process that you will tolerate that lets minorities get what they want, instead of a tablespoon of feces being added to EVERY cask of wine.

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        2. Eddie, Son of Richard‏ @random_eddie 29 Nov 2019
          Replying to @MorlockP

          I don't see what I've defended or proposed as totalizing. Do you? Why and how?

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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Nov 2019
          Replying to @random_eddie

          I've explained this six or so times now. You've come up with a process ("if a minority wants X in location Ythey should do it, because it is a reflection of human joy"). That process, applied reasonably, applies EVERYWHERE.

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