and your EXACT PROPOSAL was "don't like it? go somewhere else" BUT THEN YOU ARGUED THAT EVERY PLACE IN THAT PRICE TIER GETS TO CONVERGE ON YOUR NORMS so you're doing the jetski thing - the only way to live on the water and not hear jetskis is be a billionaire and own the lake
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an appreciation of the fact that norms differ and this is a tricky problem, as opposed to "anyone who doesn't like the sound of jetskis and screaming grandmothers obviously hates joy and SHOULD BE DRIVEN OUT OF EVERY PUBLIC PLACE" would be good
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I appreciate the fact that norms differ. (Was that not clear?) I also appreciate that this is a tricky problem.
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it was not clear the only think I heard was: * if you want the norms that prevail 95% of the time, spend 3x as much money and don't go to 90% of the restaurants * the reason norms differ is some assholes hate children
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Sorry for leaving that impression. Yes, it's tricky. You've had many threads about the issue in the past, grappling towards some resolution. I have a thought here, but it's not a very happy one.
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(Set aside for the moment whether the OP's case actually represents differing norms between you and I - I think there's too much ambiguity to know) +
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Say that there really was a difference between yours and mine, and that it was a Big Deal. Perhaps it's about loud pipes, perhaps it's about kids on planes where there's less room for compromise. +
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I think in some circumstances, the only option is separation, and if that's not feasible, then war.
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There's probably more room for compromise, and more room for separation, than people are willing to consider at first. But sometimes differences are irreconcilable.
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> There's probably more room for compromise, and more room for separation, I keep point at one thing and one thing only: is there any limit on your norms, or can they chase me out of every place I want to go, so that your norms win everywhere and I have to stay home?
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this META thing, not the object level thing, is what enrages me. It's exactly the same as progs taking over the universities, then the publishers, then the software firms, then the boyscouts. "You're still free to say X in your church" 1 day later "Your church is homophobic"
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