his stance shifted to "well, OK, these are the norms here, and if people don't like it, they should move". ...and then he came up to HUN, rented a sports car, and violated the speed limit by 3x, and when I called him on it he said that (a) people in New England are pussies
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(b) the fact that he might kill some other child or make them an orphan at probability 'p' is a chance that he's willingf to take. SO GENEROUS OF HIM !!!
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so apparently the standard is * when he's in a community where people like jetskis and loud noises, those are just community norms * when he's in a community that doesn't like 105 in a 40 zone, then those norms are bad and better ones should prevail
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and getting back to the jetski sound itself, one person doing one thing can pollute an entire bay with the noise. It's 99.99% externality. And there's no data on who does and does not like it. Hear four jetskis? well obviously AT LEAST 4 people like it.
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The quiet people don't register. It's the seen and the unseen. So we've constructed a mechanism with no property rights and a mechanism that amplifies the voices of defectors. Get 2 or 3 (or even just 1) grandmother, and, well, the ENTIRE restaurant sounds like loud grandmothr
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and your EXACT PROPOSAL was "don't like it? go somewhere else" BUT THEN YOU ARGUED THAT EVERY PLACE IN THAT PRICE TIER GETS TO CONVERGE ON YOUR NORMS so you're doing the jetski thing - the only way to live on the water and not hear jetskis is be a billionaire and own the lake
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an appreciation of the fact that norms differ and this is a tricky problem, as opposed to "anyone who doesn't like the sound of jetskis and screaming grandmothers obviously hates joy and SHOULD BE DRIVEN OUT OF EVERY PUBLIC PLACE" would be good
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I appreciate the fact that norms differ. (Was that not clear?) I also appreciate that this is a tricky problem.
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it was not clear the only think I heard was: * if you want the norms that prevail 95% of the time, spend 3x as much money and don't go to 90% of the restaurants * the reason norms differ is some assholes hate children
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Sorry for leaving that impression. Yes, it's tricky. You've had many threads about the issue in the past, grappling towards some resolution. I have a thought here, but it's not a very happy one.
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> many thread about the issue in the past note selection bias ; people tend to tweet about unreasonable things, not the good ones wife and I smile at well behaved kids in B&N, etc. all the time. Almost none of those stories get tweeted.
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>Almost none of those stories get tweeted. Later I'll tell you a kids-got-on-my-nerves story of my own.
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(Also, when I said "you've had many threads about it in the past" I meant about the problem of differing norms, not specifically about kids in restaurants or loud pipes or whatever)
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