but the bad thing is that you're not responding to it; you're just doubling down. "lower middle class people who can't afford to buy dining rooms populated by people with manners shouldn't get them" "the only way to have decent norms is to pay a tax"
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>the only way to have decent norms is to pay a tax The only way to have *your* norms is to pay a tax. Assuming they're "decent" is begging the question. Mine are decent, yours unfairly burden parents and grandparents.
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> unfairly expecting this one grandmother to act like all of the other grandmothers is unfair?
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Replying to @MorlockP
We probably have rather different mental pictures of what transpired in the situation the OP was complaining about. You're probably picturing it much worse than it was, I'm probably picturing it much better than it was. +
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Accordingly, we probably are disagreeing about how egregious a violation of reasonable norms the situation was (given our different mental pictures) much more than we would disagree had we both witnessed the actual situation. +
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I suspect we have similar tolerances, and similar ranges for "reasonable", although absolutely mine are further towards "tolerate kids and the attendant circus that goes with them" than yours are. But probably not as far apart as they seem here on twitter.
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as a retrospective on this thread, there are two intertwined topics 1) what should the Overton window for behavior X in location Y be 2) how do we avoid having minority X converge EVERY. SINGLE. LOCATION Y to their norm Z ? >>>
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this is a fight I get into with Browning Machine. He's an ADHD extrovert and loves Glorious Freedom Noise, so revving jet ski engines, stereos pounding so loud that people at other farms can hear him, the thrill of doing 120 on roads with 40 mph speed limits are all great >>>
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when I criticize him for, say, the jetski noise, he says "but in this community EVERYONE loves jetski noises!" ...and then tells a story 15 minutes later about how some neighbor was yelling at him for making too much noise. so, apparently, no, everyone doesn't but then >>>
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his stance shifted to "well, OK, these are the norms here, and if people don't like it, they should move". ...and then he came up to HUN, rented a sports car, and violated the speed limit by 3x, and when I called him on it he said that (a) people in New England are pussies
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(b) the fact that he might kill some other child or make them an orphan at probability 'p' is a chance that he's willingf to take. SO GENEROUS OF HIM !!!
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so apparently the standard is * when he's in a community where people like jetskis and loud noises, those are just community norms * when he's in a community that doesn't like 105 in a 40 zone, then those norms are bad and better ones should prevail
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and getting back to the jetski sound itself, one person doing one thing can pollute an entire bay with the noise. It's 99.99% externality. And there's no data on who does and does not like it. Hear four jetskis? well obviously AT LEAST 4 people like it.
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