"it's a package deal" except we've got a very simple way to NOT make it a package deal - the kid behaves like the kid, and the adult behaves like an adult
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Replying to @MorlockP
"Behaving like an adult" includes playing with children, especially grandmothers with babies. And yes that can get noisy; I don't mind. Most parents don't mind. And I greatly prefer social norms where that's okay. Those who do mind can go to restaurants with different norms.
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Replying to @random_eddie
> Those who do mind can go to restaurants with different norms. Different for how long? As soon as the grandmother shows up at the next restaurant over, I know one person who will take to twitter to defend her. "It's just human! Joyful!"
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Replying to @MorlockP
Depends on the social setting. Chilis? It's a family restaurant. Expect families, and expect families to do family things. Fancy place? Expect well-behaved people.
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well, you're catching up with my tweets from 25 minutes ago that's goodhttps://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1200526403248242698 …
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ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs @MorlockPReplying to @MorlockP @random_eddieso, yes, if I want to drop $100 on an expensive sushi dinner, my wife and I can avoid the loud / rude grandmother, but no $25 per person place should embrace a norm where sometimes kids make noise, but adults do not encourage it or make even louder noise2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @MorlockP @random_eddie
but the bad thing is that you're not responding to it; you're just doubling down. "lower middle class people who can't afford to buy dining rooms populated by people with manners shouldn't get them" "the only way to have decent norms is to pay a tax"
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Replying to @MorlockP
>the only way to have decent norms is to pay a tax The only way to have *your* norms is to pay a tax. Assuming they're "decent" is begging the question. Mine are decent, yours unfairly burden parents and grandparents.
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Replying to @random_eddie
> unfairly expecting this one grandmother to act like all of the other grandmothers is unfair?
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Replying to @MorlockP
We probably have rather different mental pictures of what transpired in the situation the OP was complaining about. You're probably picturing it much worse than it was, I'm probably picturing it much better than it was. +
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
Accordingly, we probably are disagreeing about how egregious a violation of reasonable norms the situation was (given our different mental pictures) much more than we would disagree had we both witnessed the actual situation. +
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