I read that & couldn’t shake feeling of getting only one side of the story I suspect a case could be made that such agriculture *also* gave rise to property rights, the family-unit, the modern concept of liberty. Not to mention ancillary effects such as trig/mathematics/science.
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Maybe, but the serfdom and slavery etc are emphasized as effects. Yet surely one of the attendant phenomena of ‘the state’ was also to *outlaw slavery*. Somehow I didn’t see credit given for that in the SSC review (admittedly I haven’t read the book)
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I think that runs counter to the (implied?) thesis, which is that the state IS slavery, and that slavery wasn't particularly valuable prior to being able to produce *and store* wealth.
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I still see that as one-sided. Did ‘the state’ bring (more-efficient) serfdom etc. online? Sure. What was prior to ‘the state’ (if such arbitrary demarcation can even be defined), was it safety and comfort, freedom from risk of bandits, raids, rapine? Doubtful.
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Replying to @EmperorCoolidge @random_eddie
suspect that’s more of an outcome of low-density than anything else per se, so not sure how to control for that I’m not saying I dispute the book’s thesis just that it sounds like it gives one side of a story that in reality has both pros and cons
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His other book, "Seeing Like a State", is (as I understand it) much more about "the state as an entity" - what it is, how it works, what it does, etc. Per the SSC post this book dovetails with that one, but is, as you say, about a different topic.
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> His other book, "Seeing Like a State", is (as I understand it) much more about "the state as an entity" not really ; it's about ONE ASPECT of the state; specifically that the state requires legibility book doesn't go into any aspect of the state other than that
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