Genres consist of multiple elements, including flavor. Sometimes flavor is enough to land something in a genre. +
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
Fantasy and Science Fiction have enough elements in common that they can be conveniently lumped together in a single uber-genre: "Fantasy and Science Fiction". But they have enough unique elements each that they can also be separated into "Fantasy" and "Science Fiction". +
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
Lots of creative works defy categorization into genres because they incorporate elements drawn from multiple different genres. True in music, true in fiction. Thus you get some examples of "Fantasy and Science Fiction" that could be described as either or both. +
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
When I got my Firefly DVDs signed by Adam Baldwin, I asked him what it was like to work on a science fiction show. He said "It wasn't a science fiction show, it was a western!" He's not wrong.
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
But also, he is wrong. Firefly is SF. Or a western. Or both. Or one or the other but not both. Depends on the lens you look through. +
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
Spotify has the right approach towards genres. They don't try to define genres. They *observe* genres, and *derive* genre information by discovering clusters and seeking out the genre labels that others apply to them. +
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
"Progressive Trance is the music that people are listening to when they say they're listening to Progressive Trance." "Science Fiction is what I'm pointing to when I say 'This is Science Fiction.'" +
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
For the term "Science Fiction" to have any meaning, it needs to cover the broadest swath of what large groups of people mean when they use the term (descriptivism, not prescriptivism). Which means it's necessarily imprecise, and thus not useful for fine-grained discussions. +
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Replying to @random_eddie
I agree with your overall point, but this > For the term "Science Fiction" to have any meaning, it needs to cover the broadest swath of what large groups of people mean when they use the term is logically wrong it NEED NOT cover that in order to have "any" meaning
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Replying to @MorlockP
Yes, I knew you'd pick up on that, but I was in a hurry and thus necessarily imprecise. DESCRIPTIVISM (which I endorse) requires such, even if logic does not.
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> necessarily imprecise. THE FIRE RISES
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