19/ I assure you, I do not sling "the first epithet I can think of". I considered and rejected "communist", "fascist", etc. I̶ ̶a̶r̶r̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶c̶i̶s̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶I̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶.̶ I use exactly the word that has the connotations I want https://twitter.com/ReloadedRolf/status/1160922137529597955 …
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30/ That's type A of the NRx utopian kid. Type B doesn't look at ads from 1950s life magazine, but instead at the (animated) Disney Robin Hood. "We all would have lived in a big house, had a big pot of stew, been happy all the time, and there'd be a friendly monk to hold mass"pic.twitter.com/eIFmkSVQVX
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31/ It's funny that these utopians look at the historical record being laid down today by the NYT, CNN, globohomo and all of its allies in the textbook business, etc. and say "lies! all lies!" ...and then look at visions of 1950 or 1550 and say "well, THAT'S the real deal!"
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32/ Are you reading diaries written by people back then? Are you looking at tax records? Court records? Lawsuits? No? You know that factory made fake food you decry? Well, you're eating the information version of it.
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33/ EXACTLY THE POINT I WAS MAKING! Ancient lawsuits are awesome because they show you (a) people had far more freedom than
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34/ is quite relevant. If you dream that "well, if a pater familias was in charge, managing the family estate everything would be awesome", you have a GOD DAMNED OBLIGATION to look at ancient lawsuits to see how those pater familiases behaved. It's https://reddit.com/r/legaladvice
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35/ I used that word, because it means "idealized vision" and further "that does not exist" (eu- / u- prefix issue). Now, why do I feel justified in calling his vision utopian? >>> https://twitter.com/danwolfgang_/status/1160933326846341120 …
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36/ because of these ~4 tweets https://twitter.com/TheBrometheus/status/1160726693998260224 …
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40/ Brometheus: "these are idealized statements" Morlock: "he describes a utopia"
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41/ God damn you bastards, stop reverse Motte-and-Baileying this! Brometheus: you all live in one house, you do your laundry together, your dad choses your spouse me: ugh, that's hell you all: check out Morlock who hates families ! smdh https://twitter.com/danwolfgang_/status/1160934476748382209 …
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42/ Brometheus: <hellscape vision> me: that's a hellscape vision you: he never said that me: yes he did, let me quote you: well, OK, sure, he said that, but he preempted all of your critiques stahp STAHPPPPP https://twitter.com/danwolfgang_/status/1160934618255822848 …
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43/ rando, sticking head into a pizza shop: "Jesus, I guess this guy just...likes to make pizza, or something? what a weirdo! Pffft!" https://twitter.com/1Alienscomicfan/status/1160934938310533121 …
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44/ Few advocating anything have read anything.https://twitter.com/ctdonath/status/1160934797059006464 …
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45/ Search Brometheus's thread for the "not to sugar coat this" phrase. That's where he explains that you have no choice in your spouse, etc. If, in his vision, you can opt out, then his "it does have constraints X, Y, Z" makes no sense. https://twitter.com/JimNanban/status/1160935719357034496 …
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46/ I talk to my folks once a week, swap emails ~ daily, and my parents and brother are coming to visit Friday. That doesn't mean I want to live in a house with them, work for my dad, and have him choose my spouse. Fallacy of the excluded middle. https://twitter.com/IcyTekla/status/1160936998154248193 …
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47/ The most sophisticated utopian visions say "if the government stopped doing this bad market-distorting thing, then I expect X would arise". The other 99.9% say "X is the best thing, so we must force it to be accepted".
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50/ Fallacy of the excluded middle, my dude. That's been your problem in this entire thread. THE ONLY CHOICE IS BUGMAN HIVES OR PAKISTANI STYLE TRIBAL AREAS !!!1! How about nuclear families in private homes in suburbs paired with fulfilling jobs? https://twitter.com/TheBrometheus/status/1161015484512374784 …
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51/ Wife had the same reaction. Like a starving man dreaming of eating a dozen pizzas. https://twitter.com/RaltsB/status/1161022440337805312 …
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52/ To the contrary, I think Brom communicated his idea quite clearly and unambiguously. Perhaps what you're saying is that you have a similar idea that differs in some particulars from his idea? https://twitter.com/AmericanDan1776/status/1161024916495511552 …
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53/ > and you attacked what he actually wrote in your usual manner. I wouldn't even call it "attacked". I just analyzed it ruthlessly. Tho the difference is likely only one of motivation and not effect.
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54/ Again, I didn't IMPLY anything. I mostly just quoted. If you're saying he expressed his somewhat nebulous ideas w a false degree of certainty, I'm willing to tentatively accept that ( ideally Brom would then agree; I continue to dislike apologia) https://twitter.com/AmericanDan1776/status/1161027258225700864 …
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55/ He did explain it in excruciating detail. That's the problem. I just quoted his actual words. Maybe you wish he hadn't said "20 relatives in one big house" or "dad selects your spouse" but ... well, he DID say those things. /shrug https://twitter.com/JesseLucasSaga/status/1161027820392460289 …
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56/ I didn't make one thing up. I didn't ask for clarification because Brom wasn't ambiguous. https://twitter.com/Xayveir/status/1161028903764467714 …
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57/ This may very well be true. I can only address the words that a writer chooses to put down, not the ones he doesn't. /shrug If Brom wants to take another stab at expressing himself, I will engage in good faith. https://twitter.com/AmericanDan1776/status/1161030298156642307 …
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58/ 1) I don't think manor system was terrible. I'm not railing against everything feudal-like. I'm railing against the one PARTICULAR proposal made this morning 2) but to be pedantic: what's your data for saying "people didn't hate it" ? Srs question https://twitter.com/AmericanDan1776/status/1161031452865245184 …
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59/ To expand on "what's your data?", I think this is a really important question for almost every debate, political or otherwise, and I'm as skeptical of the trads saying "everyone loved feudalism" as I am of the commies saying "everyone hated feudalism". Cite facts!
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