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21/ > You're extrapolating an uncharitable interpretation There's zero "extrapolation" or "interpretation" in this thread; I am responding to
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22/ false ; I am neither wearing a dress, kissing some woman's ass, or writing bad fiction https://twitter.com/danwolfgang_/status/1160926908458160130 …
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23/ No, his vision goes far beyond how clan / tribes livedhttps://twitter.com/Jeff_Weimer/status/1160925491769090048 …
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24/ As I've said a dozen times, his vision is NOT how families worked for millenia (well, outside of the Middle East, so if you're saying "this is a great system, just look at the tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan if you don't believe me", ok) https://twitter.com/ReloadedRolf/status/1160925242191175684 …
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25/ > Who writes a 24 post thread Same guy who writes 1300 page science fiction stories. /shrug > He's shouting
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26/ I didn't once say "family is slavery". I said that
@TheBrometheus's Maoist vision where you have no private property, no privacy, do your laundry together, are forced to work in a family firm, have no right to pick your own spouse, etc. is slavery. https://twitter.com/doctrineofad/status/1160929291070255104 …This Tweet is unavailable.Show this thread -
27/ This question is confused, because I haven't once presented a vision here; I've merely criticized one very bad Maoist vision. I am not a visionary. I am not a planner of utopias. I am just a criticizer of hellscapes. https://twitter.com/ReloadedRolf/status/1160929002317635587 …
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29/ Utopians often have poorly researched utopian nostalgia, deeply held. One of the most breathtaking is 1950's advertising-as-gospel. "Back in the day, every guy was issued a good job, a convertible, a blonde waifu, 2.5 kids, and a Coke !"https://twitter.com/debeehr/status/1160930980305281029 …
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30/ That's type A of the NRx utopian kid. Type B doesn't look at ads from 1950s life magazine, but instead at the (animated) Disney Robin Hood. "We all would have lived in a big house, had a big pot of stew, been happy all the time, and there'd be a friendly monk to hold mass"pic.twitter.com/eIFmkSVQVX
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31/ It's funny that these utopians look at the historical record being laid down today by the NYT, CNN, globohomo and all of its allies in the textbook business, etc. and say "lies! all lies!" ...and then look at visions of 1950 or 1550 and say "well, THAT'S the real deal!"
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32/ Are you reading diaries written by people back then? Are you looking at tax records? Court records? Lawsuits? No? You know that factory made fake food you decry? Well, you're eating the information version of it.
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33/ EXACTLY THE POINT I WAS MAKING! Ancient lawsuits are awesome because they show you (a) people had far more freedom than
@TheBrometheus's Maoist vision of universal slavery (b) people were idiots and made bad decisions, just like today. Which >>>https://twitter.com/_FitCrit/status/1160932512618700802 …Show this thread -
34/ is quite relevant. If you dream that "well, if a pater familias was in charge, managing the family estate everything would be awesome", you have a GOD DAMNED OBLIGATION to look at ancient lawsuits to see how those pater familiases behaved. It's https://reddit.com/r/legaladvice
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35/ I used that word, because it means "idealized vision" and further "that does not exist" (eu- / u- prefix issue). Now, why do I feel justified in calling his vision utopian? >>> https://twitter.com/danwolfgang_/status/1160933326846341120 …
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36/ because of these ~4 tweets https://twitter.com/TheBrometheus/status/1160726693998260224 …
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40/ Brometheus: "these are idealized statements" Morlock: "he describes a utopia"
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41/ God damn you bastards, stop reverse Motte-and-Baileying this! Brometheus: you all live in one house, you do your laundry together, your dad choses your spouse me: ugh, that's hell you all: check out Morlock who hates families ! smdh https://twitter.com/danwolfgang_/status/1160934476748382209 …
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42/ Brometheus: <hellscape vision> me: that's a hellscape vision you: he never said that me: yes he did, let me quote you: well, OK, sure, he said that, but he preempted all of your critiques stahp STAHPPPPP https://twitter.com/danwolfgang_/status/1160934618255822848 …
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43/ rando, sticking head into a pizza shop: "Jesus, I guess this guy just...likes to make pizza, or something? what a weirdo! Pffft!" https://twitter.com/1Alienscomicfan/status/1160934938310533121 …
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44/ Few advocating anything have read anything.https://twitter.com/ctdonath/status/1160934797059006464 …
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45/ Search Brometheus's thread for the "not to sugar coat this" phrase. That's where he explains that you have no choice in your spouse, etc. If, in his vision, you can opt out, then his "it does have constraints X, Y, Z" makes no sense. https://twitter.com/JimNanban/status/1160935719357034496 …
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46/ I talk to my folks once a week, swap emails ~ daily, and my parents and brother are coming to visit Friday. That doesn't mean I want to live in a house with them, work for my dad, and have him choose my spouse. Fallacy of the excluded middle. https://twitter.com/IcyTekla/status/1160936998154248193 …
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47/ The most sophisticated utopian visions say "if the government stopped doing this bad market-distorting thing, then I expect X would arise". The other 99.9% say "X is the best thing, so we must force it to be accepted".
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50/ Fallacy of the excluded middle, my dude. That's been your problem in this entire thread. THE ONLY CHOICE IS BUGMAN HIVES OR PAKISTANI STYLE TRIBAL AREAS !!!1! How about nuclear families in private homes in suburbs paired with fulfilling jobs? https://twitter.com/TheBrometheus/status/1161015484512374784 …
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