me, 11am: "farmhand, park the tractor, start weeding location X" me, noon: I see ZERO weeding. Find farmhand "just finishing his lunch" in the shade. farmhand: "I'm on it now!" me, 1pm: sees farmhand has weeded 10 feet me, 1pm: started weeding too me, 1:15: finished 30 feet
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3/ Trying to decide between firing him today vs keeping him for a week or so more to do things that I just don't have time for, even at 10:1 ratio. GRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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4/ thanks, in 20 years of running a business and hiring farm hands I never thought about management or incentives https://twitter.com/less_tx/status/1155890008068411394 …
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6/ Before anyone else gives me advice, let me mention that there is a limited labor pool, everyone sucks, it takes a lot of work to find ANYONE (even someone who sucks), and if you fire someone mid season than YOU are doing their job until you can find a replacement. so...
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7/ this is not a choice between (a) keep a crappy hand, or (b) fire him and instantly replace him with a good one it is a choice between (a) keep a crappy hand, or (b) fire him, spend 8 hrs/weekend doing his job, put up posters, wait a month, find 2 candidates who both suck
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8/ I have no seen many people hire or get hired under such a contract. Folks dislike it, see it as a scam / evidence of ill will. Also, it requires far more management effort. Putting price tags on tasks, debating whether they're fair, having a guy > https://twitter.com/IcyTekla/status/1155890622655533059 …
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9/ argue that it's nonsense that he worked hard for 6 hours and got $2.50/hr for his labor, and he's quitting unless you change the payout etc this is deeply understood in management science. Trusted vendors, etc. are a big thing.
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10/ I know some parts of the country have lots of day labor standing around outside Big Orange, but it's not a thing here in New England. Nearest HD is 40 minutes away, so eve if possible: now I've got 2 hours and 40 minutes of driving per day?https://twitter.com/JASutherlandBks/status/1155891798486786050 …
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11/ And then I have to train these guys, even minimally, each and every single day? "This is where the wheelbarrow is. If it goes flat, the compressor is here. The shovels are here. Walk with me now. I want holes dug where each of these orange stakes is" Now I'm spending hrs
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13/ I paid the neighbor kid $12/hr to ride my riding mower. He flaked out after once or twice. Would rather watch TV or play Nintendo or whatever. https://twitter.com/CypressRevival/status/1155892992517005314 …
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14/ People aren't hungry enough. Why, my farm hand was out last week -on "vacation". My goodness, I hope I'm someday so rich that I can afford to forego a week of wages in order to take the sort of "vacation" that the upper classes like his sort do!
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15/ Oh, really? I thought I was! In 20 years of hiring people I never really once sat down and thought about supply and demand. Good insight! https://twitter.com/sausage1esq/status/1155894072730685441 …
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16/ no, thought about a zero-turn, went w conventional instead bc I have lots of tasks that require towable riding mower implements (dump trailers, lawn sweepers, fertilizer spreaders, etc etc etc etc) https://twitter.com/teachbarefoot/status/1155894473202814976 …
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17/ It wasn't a family vacation. It wasn't $10/hr. Otherwise, good argument. https://twitter.com/HitorMissDSA/status/1155894889890099200 …
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18/ I pay $12/hr, which is 50%-100% higher than prevailing summer job wages around here (I know because I researched this by asking local business and employees).
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19/ Perhaps your experience of employing farm labor trumps my own, "college reactionary". But from the local farmers I've talked to, hourly wages are the norm. https://twitter.com/BorgiaKing/status/1155897101315989504 …
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20/ Reading comprehension is important,
@NoR3funds. I pay $12/hr. The $2.50/hr was a hypothetical of what goes WRONG with setting piece-work rates. https://twitter.com/NoR3funds/status/1155895099190108160 …This Tweet is unavailable.Show this thread -
21/ I'm not miserable, NEET. https://twitter.com/John99601526/status/1155897263958450177 …
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22/ A process request: anyone who wants to give me advice on how to recruit and manage labor: please feel free! ...but... please include your experience running a farm and/or a startup, so I can calibrate. Thx. https://twitter.com/iamstillbored1/status/1155898092593352705 …
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23/ "listen, Morlock, you might think you know what the local day labor scene is like from having researched it and talked to small business owners and farmers in the area, but let me tell you the truth" ok, great, thx also: see transpo and training https://twitter.com/form_break/status/1155898547465854976 …
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24/ so you're telling me that the secret to getting a farm hand who will weed, mow the lawn, inject Japanese knotweed, burn brush piles, etc., is to find a firm that will deliver these services? interesting I looked and did not find. Phone # plz? https://twitter.com/BorgiaKing/status/1155898582790213632 …
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@NoR3funds is upset that I'm not paying my 19yo college student enough during his 12 week summer job to support a family good point@NoR3funds ! I'm the WORST ! https://twitter.com/NoR3funds/status/1155899181791416325 …This Tweet is unavailable.Show this thread -
26/ spontaneous generation you leave an empty bag of Doritos next to a videogame controller, and you get a twitter expert a week later https://twitter.com/ShitLordReflex/status/1155899655189716993 …
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29/ every business in the area: pays teens $8 / hr me: pays teens $12/hr
@NoR3funds: you are so arrogant for not paying that teenager enough to support a family LOL, go away NEET. Your MMORPG guild needs you for something very very important. https://twitter.com/NoR3funds/status/1155900456138420225 …This Tweet is unavailable.Show this thread -
30/ Rural NH. I asked teen employees at 3 different stores "hey, I'm looking to hire farm hands. Is XYZ a fair rate?" Every one of them: "OMG, yes, I make QRS; that's a great rate". /shrug https://twitter.com/form_break/status/1155900165078827008 …
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31/ Amusingly, I'm getting a very very libertarian response from all sorts of people who are not libertarians (reactionaries, lefists, etc): "There's a simple supply / demand curve. If you pay more you, you get better labor." I'm a libertarian! I'm quite sympathetic to this!
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32/ BUT BUT BUT reality is more complicated than models. Models INTENTIONALLY strip away all sorts of details to make things simple. Cows are not perfectly spherical. Surfaces are not frictionless. Search and training costs for employees are not $0.
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