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    1. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 21 Apr 2019

      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs Retweeted Robin Hanson

      Counter argument: we pay garbagemen more than we pay convenience store clerks because the work is harder and nastier and we have to incentivize them. Thus, we should also expect that we reward warriors with status more than we reward innovators, because market clearing price.https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/1119949952761978881 …

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      Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
      If we have more stories celebrating famous warriors than stories celebrating famous innovators, does that mean our culture promotes war more than it promotes innovation?
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    2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      You presume that it is harder to be a warrior than an innovator?

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    3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @robinhanson

      No. I presume that: * innovators will innovate even without status boost, because (a) they're driven to it, (b) there are economic rewards, (c) a and b work together to get us "enough" innovators. * without status bump "we" get "too few" warriors.

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    4. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      The argument that we naturally have too few innovators seems to me much stronger than for too few warriors.

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    5. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @robinhanson

      what matters when explaining why things are as they are is not what economists think, but what the logic of evolutionary selection thinks (and thinks RETROspectively, not prospectively) Did a tribe in 10,000 BC that rewarded innovators more have its genes or memes replicated?

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    6. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      A tribe in 10K BC internalized a far smaller % of gains from innovation than from war.

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    7. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @robinhanson

      Right, exactly. So both culturally and genetically, we'd expect humans to optimize for investing in war (offensive or defensive). Given 10k years (100k years?) of this environment, we'd expect the human default to STILL do this. ...and it does.

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    8. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @MorlockP

      It seems to me we agree. Our culture does in fact promote war more than innovation. This isn't because being a warrior is harder, but because ancestor societies gained so much from promoting war.

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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 21 Apr 2019
      Replying to @robinhanson

      we're within 1% of agreeing, certainly ; maybe perfectly agreeing? we promote war more because the supply of warriors is elastic / responds to incentives, and in the evolutionary context we needed more than the default level

      6:26 AM - 21 Apr 2019
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        2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 21 Apr 2019
          Replying to @MorlockP

          The supply of innovators is also elastic and responds to incentives. And we need innovators. But yes our culture learned long ago to promote war and it hasn't relearned about innovation so much,

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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 21 Apr 2019
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          until the genes are aligned with this goal, any cultural change will be pushing up hill. Imagine that the gov sets out to change the culture via cartoons for kids, etc. That program exists at the discretion of gov officials and voters...who have genes that glorify war! >

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