Interesting that so many pro-vegan arguments (eg in https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9gb7tt/extrapolating_the_eat_beef_not_chicken_argument/e63flw0/ …) are intrinsically irrationalist, particularly juxtaposed against the usual rationalism.
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Replying to @St_Rev @sonyaellenmann
I wonder if tribal identity / loyalty comes first, and if 2/3 of that identity is rationalism™, then they perform the rituals of rationalism™, but when 1/3 of it is Berkeley liberalism, they perform those rituals instead ...and no contradiction bc in every case, identity wins?
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this echoes the fact that many people lie at the intersection of "I'd never kill a chicken, it's a living thing" and "a 6 month fetus is some cells" (yes, there are nuanced takes where a chicken is tasty for 15 minutes but an abortion can spare someone decades of obligation)
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I do not believe, but can understand / have respect for the argument that the fetus slowly transitions from 0 moral worth to full moral worth I will defend "no abortions on day 2" intellectually, but have no emotional angst at idea of RU-486 at that point
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I have zero tolerance for "nuh uh, it's not <BAD THING> ... because. Now shut up." I respect a lot "yes, it is bad thing, let's grapple with it..." problem is, there's a mode that apes that second one: "I want to do X, so, uh, I've 'grappled with it'...and now I get to! WOO!"
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like many other signals, the words "I've struggled with this" are cheap, and therefore quickly appopriated.
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