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    1. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 29 Aug 2018

      I'm not arguing that there isn't a cultural component here. I think there *is* a cultural component--many, in fact. Like the sexual revolution, which radically changed understandings, including Catholic understandings of sexual behavior.

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    2. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 29 Aug 2018

      Also the belief that Freudian psychiatry and other forms of quackitude could cure sex offenders. A decline in vocations that left priests more isolated, with less community to supervise them. Many, many things. I also suspect environmental led may have played a role.

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    3. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 29 Aug 2018

      Lead damages impulse control. Where is environmental lead highest? In the urban "ethnic" areas where the generation of priests who formed vocations from the late 1950s on would disproportionately have grown up. Throw in a disinhibiting culture, and you have a mess.

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    4. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 29 Aug 2018

      I am specifically rejecting only the "homosexual influx into the seminaries caused this" theory. The timing is all wrong for that theory to work.

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    5. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 29 Aug 2018

      And you can't get around it by lagging the data, because the phenomenon peaks *before* the alleged homosexual subculture is reported to have arisen at some seminaries. It just won't work.

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    6. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Aug 2018
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      I'm a strong socialcon, so I'm slotted to believe "gay priests", but I think that in the real world problems always have a dozen causes. Lead exposure, cultural permisivity, less supervision, less fellowship, more loneliness, THE CHANGE THAT CREATES IN THE SELECTION of priests...

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    7. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 29 Aug 2018
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      Oh, we haven't even gotten into my theories about what Catholic use of contraception, and therefore the change in family desire for vocations among their shrinking number of children.

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    9. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 29 Aug 2018
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      Well, that's going to shift the composition of the clergy in important ways, perhaps leaving you with a concentration of pedophiles. Not that most priests are pedophiles, by any means. But the rate may be higher as normally sexually attracted vocations fall away.

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    10. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Aug 2018
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      100% agreed, and something I've been saying for decades. When there's no contraception, families are "too large", so you have excess sons who need to be shipped off, so the priesthood is a cross section of 4th and 5th sons. A totally normal cross section.

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      ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Aug 2018
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      In the 20th c when you have birth control you get MOTIVATED joiners. c.f. a draft military vs an all volunteer military. Who chooses to join the priesthood 100% voluntarily? No matter what your answer is, it's going to be different than the base population.

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        2. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Aug 2018
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          I'd expect an increased rate of: * beta males * gay men * emotional social-worker types * quiet / lost men etc. Father Mulcahy from M*A*S*H is going to make up a smaller group than before.

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        3. ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs‏ @MorlockP 29 Aug 2018
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          Your "only child" theory seems valid, but denying the selection bias effect I propose seems... well, I just can't understand why one wouldn't embrace it. Care to elaborate?

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