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I think @Noahpinion is basically arguing that because America is made up of whites (baseline crime rate) & blacks (5x white crime rate), adding illegal aliens (1.5x white crime rate) lowers the average RATE of crime by diluting the black population, even as it increases crime https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1032621169692663813 …
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Replying to @MorlockP @Noahpinion
Referring to "increasing crime" without meaning "increasing the crime RATE" is effectively meaningless. Having children increases crime.
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Replying to @random_eddie @Noahpinion
if you swimming pool is half full of water and someone throws a dog turd in it, when you filled the pool the rest of the way, would you make sure to add a second turd, in order to keep the turd density constant? ...or would you add JUST water?
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Replying to @MorlockP @Noahpinion
Either you misunderstood what I was getting at, or I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at. Assume I stated my point poorly, and never mind.
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Replying to @random_eddie @Noahpinion
I entirely agree that births increase crime / that RATE is what matters my point is this: the pro-immigration people (not a great term, bc I am ALSO pro-immigration!) like to argue "immigrants create less crime than natives". I agree w that! My point is ...
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is that there is a spectrum of agregation. At one end is "consider each person individually, with absolute knowledge". At the other end is "there are 7 billion people and we can't draw distinctions between ANY of them". First is impossible. Second is stupid.
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so we can / do / should make as good decisions as possible, using as much data as possible. So: we look askance at people who have committed 1 murder. This is unfair! Many will never commit another. Ideally we'd let in murderers who will never commit another. ...but we don't
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...because we can't get that level of knowledge, so we fall back on "well, 20% of people who murder once murder again" (or whatever the stat is) and keep them out.
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"keeping the crime rate the same" is actually a shitty goal. we'd love to dilute the current level of crimes with a 100% crime free immigration stream, so that crime RATES fall, yes?
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but we don't do that. We admit a mix of people that commit, on average, MORE crimes than the core / traditional demographic of the US. This demographic is also in favor of more taxes, more government, more socialism, and less freedom. This is a dumb policy. The end.
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...of America.
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Replying to @MorlockP
Loosely agreed, and understood even before I tweeted. But to head down this tangent towards our potential disagreements:
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Replying to @random_eddie @MorlockP
I'm only slightly more comfortable blocking admission based on national origin than I am with deporting or imprisoning natives based on skin color. I get your argument, but it can be made in reverse as well. I (and you, I'm sure) would prefer a more granular approach.
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