I think there would be significantly less debate on these issues if people had a better understanding of statistics, causality, and 2nd order effects. This comment is equivalent to "the tiger has not killed anyone at the zoo, therefore we can get rid of the cage."https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1268541943501463552 …
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Molson Hart Retweeted Samuel Sinyangwe
Worth noting that the person who made this (what I would consider) pretty bad logical error is also behind this celebrated list of research based solutions to police violence.https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224 …
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Molson Hart Retweeted Samuel Sinyangwe
I haven't looked at this study, but I've been on the planet 33 years. From that time I know two things: 1) A lot of studies are total garbage 2) There is no way in hell that body cams don't reduce police violence or at least change behavior.https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655705159811073 …
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Samuel SinyangweVerified account @samsweyLesson 1. Everything you’ve probably heard is a lie. Specifically, the most discussed “solutions” to police violence have no evidence of effectiveness. For example, Body cams don’t reduce police violence: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/21/10329.short?rss=1 …Show this thread2 replies 0 retweets 3 likesShow this thread -
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If you call someone a bullshitter your counter argument should be better than "i didn't read it but i think it's garbage".
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Molson Hart Retweeted Luca Dellanna
First, you're misrepresenting what I said. I didn't call him a bullshitter. Second, you're oversimplifying my argument. My argument is much more akin to, I have 33 years of experience telling me the conclusions of this study are false. Check this:https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1268556541948391424 …
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re 1: I take it back, apologies. re 2: This is very similar to what those campus kids we like to mock do: my experiences invalidate our studies. Life experiences cannot refute a studies unless the conclusions are so strong and categorical that a single counterpoint is enough.
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>2 Disagree. See Taleb's "grandmother wisdom" argument. I've been in business for over 10 years, profitable for last 7, 2 companies. Oversight changes behavior hires and vendors. I've basically run that study over and over and over again. Maybe I'm wrong, but...nah I'm not.
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You might be right, i have reservations about that study too. But proof should be stronger since you are pro-action and the study is non-action (grandmother argument usually applies in reverse situation).
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Fair, but...given what's going on in our country, non-action seems a bit more dangerous that action, especially when considering the downside (cost and charging the cameras) to require body cameras.
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Also, forgot to respond to your 1 a few tweets back. No worries. I am clearing dissing the guy. I don't think he's a bullshitter. I think he's just not thinking everything through and is biased, something we all suffer from.
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Yeah it's especially hard to be rational and unbiased in times like these. re: bodycams: BTW some police departments simply refuse to hand over the videos which would explain a lot IMO.https://www.rcfp.org/bodycam-video-access/ …
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