What percentage of the private equity industry's returns are attributable to one pe firm selling their assets to another pe firm? Just trading assets all day to make the numbers look good? I've never looked under the hood of a PE-owned company and said "wow, this is well run."
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Most open PE seems like a ponzi scheme. In the same vein, most companies that went public in the last couple of years are terrible. Skilled investors don't tend to run publicly funds for long. If they're good, they grow big fast and close off to outsiders.
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Replying to @orrdavid @Molson_Hart
I mean I don’t fully get that. They IPO them, sell to a strategic or to a fund. Your argument is the same for me selling you my shares of company XYZ
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Replying to @JhorowitJosh @Molson_Hart
They ipo'd lots of money losing businesses in 2019. They did this with the help of banks that convinced dumb institutional money like pensions to buy it. They only sell the hype-able junk this way. The rest is passed back and forth at higher prices 'cuz revenue is up.
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Replying to @orrdavid @Molson_Hart
So is it a Ponzi if institutional money buys it? What about VC backed IPOs which are typically losing wayyyyy more money? You’re describing people buying something you believe sucks or is overvalued. Which is what literally is happening every second the market is open
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Replying to @JhorowitJosh @Molson_Hart
VC backed IPOs seem particularly terrible to me. But it seems like roughly the same game. A ridiculous hype machine that's going to end badly for the ultimate bag holders. The Ponzi part is trading shares back and forth at ever higher valuations, without money coming back out.
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I think David and I (for me personally I'm not super knowledgeable about this) both think they're ponzi-esque, not hard ponzi-schemes, to be clear.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart @JhorowitJosh
Yeah I'm definitely not trying to make some legal claim, here.
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