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CEO at http://amazon.com/viahart . CEO at http://edisonlf.com . I tweet about business, e-commerce, supply chain, health, law, & infrastructure

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    1. Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Apr 15
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      I don’t know what 3 is a reference to but my original tweets are clear. What you wrote doesn’t make sense to me. Think of it this way. Cape has a bunch of variables in its calculation: earnings, price, time, inflation. You’re saying EPS is changing. Why? Because # of shares is.

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    2. Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Apr 15
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      Where is # of shares in that calculation? It’s not there. Therefore it does not affect CAPE.

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    3. Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Apr 15
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      These are my original tweets https://twitter.com/molson_hart/status/1249134084514811904?s=21 …https://twitter.com/Molson_Hart/status/1249134084514811904 …

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      I'm not an experienced stock guy, but I think the math here is not right. 1. If you're retiring 1 out of 15 shares every year, EPS would compound at 15/14 - 1 = 7.14% per year 2. You say that the market cap and earnings are the same. Therefore, cape for each should be the same. pic.twitter.com/gvnFC199ND
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    4. puppytigers‏ @puppytigers Apr 15
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      3 is a reference to the tweet right after that, in which you compare 19.7x with 15x. Cape Ratio assuming zero inflation is defined as: Price per share_10/Average(EPS_1, ..., EPS_10) This is rewritten as: (Mkt cap_10 / #_10)/Average(Earnings_1/#_1, ..., Earnings_10/#_10)

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    5. puppytigers‏ @puppytigers Apr 15
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      If we assume that earnings are constant every year but # shares decreases annually, then the CAPE ratio will always be growing even though the P/E ratio remains constant.

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    6. Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Apr 15
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      First off, sorry your reference of 3 should have been obvious to me. I disagree with what you just wrote. See my point in 2. I have a ton of work to do today but I will review your points in greater depth plus this Shiller paper: https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=444091009006080006031088124090093092096081003083049054069103120078089000120027085081107026040056062060105066028111092084017117012043009087045069073028065115091007003003048124117126095127005004086086121120121120029064072014026078020025030120088025084&EXT=pdf …

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    7. puppytigers‏ @puppytigers Apr 15
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      No hurry at all. I should mention that I have no expertise in finance or investing, just a small part-time investor seeking to learn from great minds.

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      Nah, this is not right. Yes, price per share is changing, but market cap is not vs. a company doing dividends. Therefore, because CAPE is market cap/10 years of averaged earnings if earnings are constant, # of shares is not relevant. See my original #2.https://twitter.com/puppytigers/status/1250427166384205828 …

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      If we assume that earnings are constant every year but # shares decreases annually, then the CAPE ratio will always be growing even though the P/E ratio remains constant.
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    9. puppytigers‏ @puppytigers Apr 15
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      Ah, now I see where the disagreement is. LT3000 defines CAPE as price per share divided by average earnings per share, while you define it as market cap divided by average total earnings. I had a closer look and it seems to be a more complex issue than I envisioned. 1/2

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    10. puppytigers‏ @puppytigers Apr 15
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      Multiple sources define CAPE for a single stock based on price and earnings per share, but indexes are different because they're measures of market cap instead of price per share. What this means is that LT3000's point holds for companies, but not to indexes. Interesting.

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      Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Apr 15
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      Using eps is convenient but not logical for cape calculations. Lt3000’s “point” doesn’t hold for companies or indices (indexes?). He’s just calculating things wrong and deriving conclusions from bad calculations.

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        2. puppytigers‏ @puppytigers Apr 15
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          The thing is that CAPE for companies is defined based on price per share and EPS. So if you're saying that EPS should not be used for calculating company CAPE ratios, then you're essentially arguing the same point as LT3000, using the exact same logic.

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        3. puppytigers‏ @puppytigers Apr 15
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          Or at least, that's the formula I'm seeing on most websites that talk about CAPE. But if those websites aren't using the conventional definition of CAPE, then I fully agree that LT's post is attacking a strawman (though a commonly used one).

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