Cruise ship is different from Iceland. Cfr higher than Iceland by a lot. No they are not applicable.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Ship pop skewed old &largest age group 70-80, some of whom wld be expected to die in this time regardless. Count of infected also underestimated missing people who may have already fought it off (part of IFR). Ship IFR prob < 0.5%https://www.nicholaslewis.org/covid-19-updated-data-implies-that-uk-modelling-hugely-overestimates-the-expected-death-rates-from-infection/ …
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I have a long thread on this. Search diamond princess
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I think the link attached is more recent and more thorough. IFR is better than CFR. But, even CFR should be adjusted for avg age as well as probability of death sans Corona (not trivial when dealing w 70+/unhealthy). Also all deaths w comorbidities not necessarily caused by COVID
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So basically there is no CFR for the coronavirus. There is a CFR for your age group. And then, really, there is a CFR for your age group + comorbidities. In any case, this study is not saying 0.25%. It's saying, AFAICT, higher than that. Further, people on that boat may still die
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
I said Iceland was 0.25% CFR (& likely lower IFR). Cruise ship IFR is *prob* substantially lower than the estimates being popularly cited, especially a few wks ago but also now: CFR 0.12% for 60-69, 0.84% 70-79 (IFR lower). ZERO deaths below 60-69 age grp.
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Replying to @HCashny
I don't know what IFR is. Back to my original point, if you had a country that had a age breakdown that looked similar to the cruise ship (don't forget the young crew), then you're going to get a similar mortality rate (1.4% so far on diamond princess).
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Cruise #'s include crew and still skews old. Ten people died- none below 60-69 bracket, many in 80's. We don't know exactly WHY they died. IFR= infection fatality rate. We don't know infected#- eg, how many had SARS-Cov-2 which causes COVID-19- only who tested+ at certain time.
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I think we do know actually. They tested everyone on the ship.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
We don't know who had it but beat it to the pt it didn't show up *at time tested*. They'd be an "infected" but not a "case." They tested old first to young. We know that 10 ppl w avg age in 70s died, .26% of total on cruise that skewed old w optimal condition for spread.
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Good point, but how long do you test positive for after you recover? They weren't on the cruise ship that long and they did the testing pretty fast when there were a good number of people with symptoms.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Still undetermined AFAIK: -Number of asymptomatics (at that time, using that test) that wld go undetected -Seems Patient Zero disembarked Jan 25, ship returned Feb 4, and as of Feb 12 at least testing was still ongoing: https://www.princess.com/news/notices_and_advisories/notices/diamond-princess-update.html … -# exposers->antibodies in 17+ days
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